[program-l] Re: Indentation of code
- From: Richard Bartholomew <richard_bartholomew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 07:58:21 +0100
I find indentation extremely useful when reviewing code with a Braille
display provided, of course, you have confidence in the source! Obviously,
it doesn't dilute the need for focussing on the code itself but can, I
find, be of value when obtaining an overview of a code segment.
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It's not as useful as when I could see but I find that it still
provides useful information about code layout (so long as proper
indentation is maintained, but that is true regardless of being
sighted or not).
Note that I don't know Braille, I could see that making a difference
due to the limitations of such devices.
On 5/19/10, Amanda Lacy <lacy925@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Am I the only one who thinks indentation makes code harder to read? I
> focus on the information itself, and when much of my braille display
> is consumed by space I find it a destraction. I have yet to understand
> its use.
>
> On 5/19/10, Doug Lee <dgl@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> For what it's worth, I strongly prefer using tabs and not spaces: Tab
>> width can be varied by the user with no changes to the code, using
>> tabs means one character per indent instead of the average three or
>> four spaces, tabs can be displayed as printable characters like ^I in
>> some editors in case checking indents is a problem for some reason,
>> and one can translate tabs to the normal two spaces before Brailling a
>> listing if necessary. As a rule, if I see spaces for indenting in a
>> program, I imitate what's there if I'm making small changes, but I
>> replace them all with tabs if I'm taking over the file.
>>
>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 02:35:45PM -0600, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> I had to switch the tabs to spaces in python, so that I could read
>> other code. No idea why edsharp defaults to tabs, and whether you'll
>> be aloud to use spaces, you have to use \40 I believe to get a space.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "?yvind Lode"
>> <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx>
>> To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 2:19 PM
>> Subject: [program-l] Re: Indentation of code
>>
>>
>>>Hi:
>>>
>>>I currently don't have any preferred style of indentation.
>>>EdSharp defaults to tab indentation.
>>>But I feel it's a waste of cells on my Braille display he he.
>>>But I'll probably find my preferred way of indentation the more code I
>>>write.
>>>Reading source code written by other programmers is probably also a
good
>>>idea.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>[mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>On Behalf Of David Lant
>>>Sent: 19. mai 2010 21:13
>>>To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [program-l] Re: Indentation of code
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Yes, I always indent code. However, this may make it sound like I
>>>actually
>>>do anything to achieve this. Using Visual Studio, coding in either VB
or
>>>C#, it is possible to have the editor automatically do all the
>>>indenting for
>>>you, so you don't even need to think about it. This is especially well
>>>implemented for VB, but does appear for C# too.
>>>
>>>There is no reason at all why a blind developer shouldn't indent code.
It
>>>doesn't add any overhead to reading the code back, as any leading
>>>spaces can
>>>be ignored by a screen reader. If you really want to know how your
>>>code is
>>>indented, then I'm sure most if not all of them include a feature to
tell
>>>you what the indentation of the current line is.
>>>
>>>If you have a particular layout style that you like, which is
>>>different from
>>>that used by your editor of choice, you can always go into the Options
and
>>>change the settings. The simplest thing of course is to change how
many
>>>spaces are indented and whether this is done by adding leading spaces
or
>>>adding tabs. But there are other options you can play with as well, up
to
>>>and including turning off automatic formatting altogether.
>>>
>>>Sighted people always prefer code to be formatted so they can easily
scan
>>>the layout and both identify the overall structure and locate
particular
>>>constructs. So whether you're expecting to show code to a sighted
>>>person or
>>>not, I'd always recommend getting into the habit of indenting and
>>>formatting
>>>neatly.
>>>
>>>All the best,
>>>
>>>David
>>>
>>>David Lant
>>>Applications analyst
>>>
>>>MCPD Enterprise Application Development 3.5
>>>MCTS ASP.NET 3.5, ADO.NET 3.5, Windows Communication Foundation 3.5,
>>>Windows
>>>Applications 3.5
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>[mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>On Behalf Of ?yvind Lode
>>>Sent: 19 May 2010 16:55
>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [program-l] Indentation of code
>>>
>>>Hi all:
>>>
>>>I'm just wondering how you folks indent your code?
>>>Do you use indentation at all?
>>>
>>>I know that indentation is not required for C#, but sighted folks
>>>prefer it.
>>>
>>>Currently I don't have any code to share between sighted and blind
>>>programmers.
>>>I've just started learning to program and I use C#.
>>>
>>>I'm just curious and would like some pointers.
>>>I'm just trying to develop a good habit of how my code should look
like.
>>>
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