[Precisionix-General] Re: Installer
- From: Andrew Sorensen <aos@xxxxxxx>
- To: precisionix-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:04:01 -0700
good ideas! but maybe we should make a nice installer like YaST and have
it on a dvd full of packages?
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 14:18 -0700, daaawg wrote:
> With some caveats, I think a choice of desktop is a good idea.
>
> Allowing that sort of choice for a total n00b would require some
> non-technical explanation to help her make an intelligent decision.
> Including the choices on the LiveCD (DVD?) would require space that
> might be better used for application binaries. I think some
> screenshots of each desktop and some apps on the website along with
> some text explaining the design philosophy behind each choice would go
> a long way in clearing up any confusion between desktop managers.
>
> I think for the first go-round, the distro should be offered as
> separate disks for each desktop offered. Maybe even give a choice of
> isos with the Ubuntu-like installer for n00bs and the Debian installer
> for warriors. Not familiar with fluendo, but definitely need some sort
> of assistant for installing codecs that work with a chosen media
> player.
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Andrew Sorensen <aos@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Yes, I think ubuntus installer is very easy --- but do we want
> to give
> users a choice of desktop durring install or not? As for
> partitioning,
> we can change that interface a little to make it easier and
> less buggy
> than the ubuntu one. fw-cutter is a poor driver, and would
> rarely give
> me more than 1Mb/s so I use ndiswrapper on that computer, and
> the free
> intel driver on my new laptop. We wont include DRM software or
> such in
> our distribution, maybe fluendo stuff and a codec assistant.
>
> On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 01:46 -0700, daaawg wrote:
> > As far as my experience with the install process:
> > I have many years supporting Windows systems professionally
> in
> > enterprise environments -- the install process for Ubuntu
> blew me away
> > -- very quick and painless. The only problem I had was
> making a
> > decision on how I should partition my drives. For a default
> choice, I
> > believe separate partitions for root and home are
> appropriate, of
> > course we would have to include a choice to leave any
> windoze
> > partition intact. For those choosing to set up custom
> partitions, a
> > simple statement explaining the sanity behind a separate
> partition for
> > the home directory would have saved me some time googling
> for an
> > answer to the question, "what makes a good linux partition
> scheme?"
> > The hardware detection was quite good, although my laptop
> sound does
> > not work :( even though it appears that the hardware was
> detected
> > properly. Wifi required the use of the fwcutter driver which
> worked
> > for about 10 minutes, at which point I googled the problem
> from
> > another computer, and installed the ndiswrapper for the
> broadcom
> > windows drivers. Of course, because of Ubuntu's philosophy,
> I had to
> > install non-free and/or proprietary codecs for dvd viewing.
> Some of
> > these problems are due to self-imposed constraints due to
> ideology,
> > some are due to legal issues such as DRM. Before any work is
> done to
> > build a distro, ground rules need to be set to cover these
> issues. If
> > it is going to be a distro that is crippled out of the box
> due to
> > legal/philosophical issues, then it should be made clear
> right away
> > why this is so, but it should be made as painless as
> possible to get
> > the software to make things work. I think Ubuntu did a good
> job on the
> > part of providing easy installation of the software pieces,
> but I was
> > pretty much in the dark as to why I had to jump through
> these hoops.
> > In summary, I think Ubuntu's install process is quite good
> and
> > deserves a close look.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Andrew Sorensen
> <aos@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I think its time we make some important decisions
> about the
> > installer
> > process, since it will effect other aspects about
> what we do.
> > we dont have any set way we have to do this yet, the
> rest
> > needs to be
> > designed on a few questions...
> > here are some choices for package/install format:
> > 1)Livecd + squashfs (like ubuntu) the user boots a
> livecd, the
> > boot
> > process uses a squashfs on the cd as / tempfs, and
> boots. When
> > the user
> > installs the distro, the squashfs is uncompressed to
> the hard
> > disk, and
> > the installer program and unneeded things that were
> > uncompressed to disk
> > are removed, and the system config is setup..
> > advantages of this system are a fast install speed,
> cons are
> > that user
> > has to install everything from the squashfs, and
> remove what
> > they dont
> > need ;( (no choosing gnome vs kde here, unless you
> got another
> > cd...)
> >
> > 2)debian based installer (like debian-installer in
> debian)
> > this would simply install all the packages to the
> users target
> > system,
> > it will take much longer than the first install
> method,
> > however lets the
> > user choose just what they want to install.
> >
> > 3)some other setup (your ideas go here!)
> > if you know of a better way to do this, post here!
> if you got
> > some ideas
> > about making a new installer, post here as well!
> > I think with our mailing list you just gotta do Re:
> Installer
> > as subject
> > and precisionix-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx as mailto, and
> it will
> > take it as
> > a reply.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'.
> > - Larry Hardiman
> >
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