John I never received your post, I only saw it when David replied on it. I'm glad I saw it because it had the method I really wanted, and that is MPC playing .rm files. That's the best thing that could happen, now we don't have to jack around with RealPlayer BS. I installed "Real Alternative" you mentioned and now MPC will play all .rm files, so there's no need for RealPlayer! HA!! Karl, Ed, Hugh, David, & John, there's a few things one may have to do to do this. Apparently the download gives you the Codecs needed to play Real media (.rm) files on any MPC (Media Player Classic) version. But it also installs an OLD version of MPC, build 81. I have build 98. I don't know if this will still work if you uncheck to install the MPC version or not, it probably will if the Codecs are still installed. When I would play a .rm file, or a .avi file, or other, I had THREE different builds playing them (81, 91 and 98). That kept happening even after "Open with....." and selecting build 98. So I had to delete all MPC's I found on my HD except the one I put in the "Windows Media Player" folder which was v98. That enabled v98 to open and play ALL media types, including .rm files. The only problem I see is when playing .rm files, there's no longer the seek controls. There's just stop, play & pause, the rest are grayed out for some reason. ?? So I highly recommend it. No more RealPlayer issues. Now there's one thing and one thing only I liked about RealPlayer, and that's this latest version I tried a few days ago added a "button" to all .rm embedded files that allowed you to download the video in one click. You'd right click (or hover) the clip and see the download link. I tried all sorts of types of these things and NONE of them worked until I tried the RealPlayer method. So the question now is how to get that back without having to install the full RealPlayer? I would you guess you cannot and you'd still have to install RealPlayer but just delete it (the main file) along with all its intrusive "call home" files. -Clint God Bless, Clint Hamilton, Owner www.OrpheusComputing.com www.ComputersCustomBuilt.com www.OrpheusComputing.com/PCworks-computer-help-email-list.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grossman" I don't like either RealPlayer or QuickTime. They (and some other programs, most notably FLV players and some DVD players) automatically take over the Associations from other programs such as .WAV files, without asking permission. You then have to undo their mess by changing the Associations back, or by clicking on Open With... I don't like programs that take control over the computer away from me, even though it is correctable. I'd rather use an "inferior" product that is more polite. Clint's footer says "God Bless." Well, somehow, that's quite different from what I have in mind after I install those invasive, control-freak programs. David Grossman > -----Original Message----- > > > A while back people were pushing Real Alternative as a way of > being rid > of the aggravations of RealPlayer. See > http://www.codecguide.com/download_real.htm > > Is this a serious option? Has anyone had any experience with > this? > > It seems there's also an alternative version of QuickTime, > which is > another PITA. > > They are both on my ever-growing list of "to do" jobs which I > never get > around to :-( > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin" > > > > Does anyone have any idea where you can download RealPlayer > > instead of their stupid downloader? I'd like to have the > > REAL > > FULL program! Any does anyone know which version is the > > best? > > I had the latest installed the other day and I hated it. > > It > > kept crashing or freezing up, kept trying to "call home" > > even > > with files on my PC, and even though the updater was > > DELETED, > > it kept trying to do this! I had to delete the scheduler > > to > > stop it from running all the time! > > Thanks, > > -Clint ========================= The list's FAQ's can be seen by sending an email to PCWorks-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with FAQ in the subject line. To unsubscribe, subscribe, set Digest or Vacation to on or off, go to //www.freelists.org/list/pcworks . You can also send an email to PCWorks-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with Unsubscribe in the subject line. Your member list settings can be found at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi/l=pcworks . Once logged in, you have access to numerous other email options. The list archives are located at //www.freelists.org/archives/pcworks/ . All email posted to the list will be placed there in the event anyone needs to look for previous posts. -zxdjhu-