well I lol myself. However even funnier is I dropped my first try to update down to the task bar and forgot so it said do it manually because it was all ready doing it! Am I preoccupied or what? Now that is really duh! Thanks for the in put anyway. Pen ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > I'm sorry that I laughed when I read that you had tried to update and it > said to do it manually, however, if you manually tried to update then what > else would it want you to do? The duh gets thrown into their court, Pen. > Deb Pf > Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.