Well, I'm concerned about what the average person will think of the US no
matter where they reside. We always promote our "peaceful transition of power"
as an ideal to emulate and the American brand is looked up to by many, many
"common" people.
I don't want to debate about CNN. But I learned the power of CNN first-hand
when I spoke at a rural high school in Belize sometime after Katrina hit New
Orleans. A young black girl asked me sincerely and politely: "Is it true that
President Bush doesn't like black people?" It figuratively broke my heart to
have to answer a question like that. You can be sure the anti-US elements will
promote this recent example to diminish us.
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Putting aside whatever happened in voting and counting or non-counting of votes
in our recent "election", The Washington Post is also obsessed with "what will
the rest of the world think". Whenever I see that I wonder which part of the
world they are concerned about, e.g., is it those ancient founds of Western
civilization popularly known as France and Germany, without which Iraq, Iran
and Syria would not have had the most sophisticated equipment in the world with
which to pursue nuclear and chemical weapons? Or would it be the multitude of
countries run by dictators (too many to list) who have billions in Swiss bank
accounts while their countrymen starve? Or would it be the two most populous
countries in the world, one of which is the greatest sewage reservoir of
poverty in human history and the other of which is light years ahead of any
country in the history of the world in surveillance of its population and
disposition of dissenters and other undesirables? Or would it be the
delightful tropical paradises south of our border in which the majority of the
population wishes it were living here? I could go on, but inquiring minds would
be satisfied with answers to just the foregoing.
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Terry:
1. As for the Texas lawsuit, I didn’t read the briefs. I appreciate the
intellectual argument. However, the Supreme Court clearly signaled it wasn’t
about to open this can of worms and I defer to their judgement.
It wasn’t as if Texas voters were disenfranchised because Pennsylvania did not
follow the rule of law laid down by their legislature and constitution and
interpreted by their state courts. I did read closely the Pennsylvania Supreme
Court decision. The Court gave Pennsylvania’s equal protection a liberal
application in light of the pandemic. I thought they did not have support to
equate as acceptable the deadline for receipt of civilian/domestic absentee
ballots with that for military mailings, but otherwise the rule of law as
interpreted gave cover. The set-aside of affected ballots wasn’t numerically
significant so the case was moot.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-542/162063/20201130140620945_RPP%20Opp%20Cert%20v.FINAL.pdf
2. As to “irregularities,” I don’t endorse unrestricted mail-in voting,
allowing voting for months ahead of the election date, same day registration
etc. I hope states will tighten up, but it’s not likely since Democrats label
every such move “voter suppression” - racist. I see Nancy wants to review
the voting rights act so that should be "interesting."
I didn’t listen to the state testimony you reference. But where is the beef?
Most of the stuff has been explained. Under the rules in place, Trump lost.
I’ve heard lots of assertions, but I have not seen any cogent offer of proof
summarized in written form. If one is floating around, I’d like to see it.
Not internet videotape or extrapolation of some isolated or anecdotal event.
I’ve read about sharpie pens; "over votes" in Michigan that turned out to be
double counting Minnesota counties by mistake; somebody's cell phone shot of
Biden ballot “dumps” and on and on. Somebody already voted for my
wife....two times....
Legitimate claims Trump may have had were overwhelmed by the bizarre conspiracy
theories and unsubstantiated assertions his “team” put out at that clown show
of a press conference. Did he have a James Baker type? No, he had Rudi – “a
fantastic, incredible mayor, the best” etc. The guy who kept screwing up the
Ukraine press interviews and called for trial by combat at the rally. And
Sidney Powell must have been either on or off her meds....
3. Attached is a link to the Georgia Settlement Agreement. I don’t know the
why and wherefores leading up to this, but it was signed March 6th. Where was
the RNC? Trump’s campaign? Probably confident they were going to win Georgia
so who cared? Trump is pissed because he got out maneuvered.
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I listened to about 90% of Trump’s phone call to the Georgia Sec’y of State.
Trump acted like an angry child who thought he could bully to get his way.
Whenever he was (politely) confronted with contrary facts, he blew them off
them, dismissed them as irrelevant because he “won Georgia by a lot…thousands
and thousands…” Otherwise, people were “incompetent or crooked.” He couldn’t
have lost because he had “big, big crowds at the rallies” and nobody showed up
for Joe’s. People in Alabama and South Carolina told him “there was no way”
he could have lost Georgia. “This stuff is all over the internet.” “Hundreds
of thousands of ballots…” “People are really upset” Dominion voting machines
“innards” are being removed.. They burned 300 pounds of ballots somewhere…..
blah, blah. He wouldn’t let the lawyers on his side talk because he, of
course, knows all. And according the Georgia people, Rudi heavily edited his
videotape.
4. As to the unfairness of it all, I agree. Now thanks to Trump, Republicans
will have to suck it up and eat crow. Trump has a habit of making it
difficult to defend him. He has been balancing on the edge since
mid-November. In this instance he crossed the line. There is nothing else to
say. Trump didn’t explicitly yell: “Let’s go storm the Congressional offices.”
So what? What the hell was his point in telling everyone to go over there?
A sit-in? A hunger strike? They were going to hold a mock trial? Didn’t it
even cross his mind that some nut-job might take a shot at someone or start a
fight might?
Yes, there was the Russian hoax. Yes, there was a bogus partisan impeachment.
Yes, Nancy Pelosi tore up Trump’s state of the Union address. Yes, Democrats
objected to electors in earlier occasions. Yes, politicians and media claimed
all summer that BLM rioting was justified to address “grievances.” Yes,
progressive radicals taunted and harassed Republicans at restaurants and at
their homes. Yes, the media treats him unfairly. Etc. etc. But the bottom
line: I expect more from the President of the United States. I expect that
person to be able to rise above, not constantly, eagerly jump into the mud pit.
Since the election, Trump has disgraced himself, his family, his legacy,
Republicans and most tragically the country. Believe me, this is horrendous
for our image overseas.
5. As president, Trump’s is not really entitled to believe whatever he wants
when that belief is at odds with the reality of his constitutional obligation.
Ted Cruz can believe whatever BS he believes will advance his political
interests. But Ted Cruz returned to type - a demagogic opportunist too
frequently too cute by half. He knew his gambit in Senate was a futile
exercise, but he thought he could position himself as heir to the Trump
movement by spewing simplistic constitutional BS and quoting some founding
father. Same with Josh Hawley. They gambled and it blew up in their faces.
6. I don't think the 25th Amendment is applicable and impeachment is not
practicable. Hopefully Trump will go play golf for the next few days and
China/Iran/NK/Russia won't choose to do something provocative.
I thought Mitch McConnell was exemplary. I wish Schumer could have risen to
the moment, but he did not.
Thank God for Mike Pence. The guy was a rock.
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On a minor point, I made reference to dinner parties in Georgetown. That may be
outdated. Barack Obama and Jeff Bezos in recent years bought mansions in the
Kalorama section of DC (which I'm sure only coincidentally is near the Chinese
Embassy). That may be where the really important dinners that RINOs so value
are now being held these days.
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Randy, I agree with you. I generally agree with Rob, but in this case, I don't.
Questions for you Rob: do you agree with SCOTUS dismissal of the TX suit? Did
you listen to any of the testimony about "irregularities" (the nice word) in
MI, AZ, PA or GA? Have you sorted through any of the evidence (much of it is
online) of fraud? I don't know how I come out on the topic, but there are real
questions in my mind about fraud. If this were a "one-off", one could certainly
say "coincidence" and ignore it. But Trump has been the subject of unrelenting
and phony attacks from the media and the Dems in Congress (not to mention RINOs
and never-Trumpers), starting with a mischaracterization of his speech
announcing his run for President and spying on his Presidential campaign under
false pretenses. He certainly has a right to believe (as I do) that there is no
shame or ethical boundary holding back the Dems, and certainly no limits on
what they would use to pursue him. He has every right to believe there was
significant fraud which cost him the election. This isn't phony Russia
collusion.
A coup in America??? Seems that's justification enough to fight back with
everything you've got and to believe that the Dems are trying to get you again.
Narcissism? I'd say realism and self preservation.
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you ...
Terry
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On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 2:49:33 PM EST, rhelkins
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Fascinating take on the situation. I think Trump was justified in everything
he did to fight the obvious voting fraud that stole the election, up to and
including interpreting the Constitution in any reasonable way to overcome the
massive conspiracy to get rid of him. I listened to and reread his address
yesterday and found nothing inciting to riot or anything else improper. If some
of his supporters took things too far, that's on them, not him, although now
that the dust has settled it seems that there was no personal injury other than
the murder by law enforcement of an unarmed Trump supporter and three
health-related deaths, presumably heart attacks. What's most interesting to me
are the rats leaving the ship today, presumably to save their ability to
continue to be invited to dinner parties in Georgetown. Barr has been the
biggest disappointment. Ted Cruz, on the other hand, has shown himself to be a
courageous patriot, or, alternatively, the brilliant cynical preserver of a
viability to run in the Republican primaries in 2024. Either way, he has been
one of the few bright lights. By the way, do you really think "loathsome" is a
sufficiently pejorative for Schumer and Pelosi? Was Hitler merely loathsome, a
word we find in libel law paired with "disease" to provide a basis for libel
per se? I think not. The Democrats are more Satanic than merely loathsome.
Assuming Pelosi and Schumer are unsuccessful in their current plan to impeach
and remove Trump and thus make him ineligible to run again, I will be happy to
vote for him again.
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Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 1:40 pm
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Trump's refusal to accept reality is either deranged or a despicable, cynical
ploy foisted on his followers. Probably both.
Trump lost. He got out maneuvered, rejected - what have you. The worst thing
a public figure can do is conform to stereotype and unfortunately Trump's
refusal to accept reality confirms all the horrors the left has propagated
about him - he's nuts, he's dangerous, he's going to stage a military coup, he
makes American look like a bunch of yahoos.
Sure - the media will hypocritically condemn his "followers" without
criticizing e.g. all the chaos of the BLM demonstrators, Nancy Pelosi
disrespectfully ripping up the State of the Union address etc. But Tom Cotton
is correct - insurrection in whatever form is lawlessness and is to be
condemned. There is no "on the other hand." Or "But they did....."
Trump accomplished many good things. I supported his policies. He was
treated unfairly, endured the shameful Russian hoax and a bogus, partisan
impeachment. He is a certainly a victim in that regard - but he also fed off
that victim status. He has been his own worst enemy and is now demonstrating a
degree of narcissism that is pathological and question if he can hold it
together for the next 13 days. In the process he is doing enormous damage to
the Republican brand. I don't know if Trump is directly responsible for the
Georgia senate results but he sure didn't make it easy on anyone and the
turnout numbers suggest he screwed it up.
Frankly, Trump can do me a favor if he shuts up, gets off his twitter and
leaves the stage with whatever dignity he can muster. Pelosi and Schumer are
loathsome, but we will have to endure. Time to move on and look for fresh
Republican faces....Haley, Cotton and others. IMHO, Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley
are toast.
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This is more believable than what the MSM is feeding us.
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In case anyone missed the below right wing distortion of the narrative. There
is simply no way that Antifa could have engaged a false flag attack to hurt
Trump and sow chaos. The fbi and cia would never sanction this type of action.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/questions-about-chaos-capitol-desperately-need-be-answered
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