Interesting how Biden continues to show his true colors, that of a demagogue
and a fool. His comments about Trump yesterday were not exactly those of
someone who wants to unite the country, which we knew was a ridiculous lie from
the beginning.
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Subject: [pa64] Re: Dc riots
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rational is useless now. From: pa64-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:pa64-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rhelkins ;(Redacted sender
"rhelkins" for DMARC)
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 10:05 AM
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Subject: [pa64] Re: Dc riots One need look no further than the following quote
from John Adams, a brilliant summary of the true and fundamental basis for what
existed here for over two hundred years but apparently no longer does. He
wasn't a slaveowner, so maybe a few people will actually give credence to this.
The recent shameless decisions by Twitter and Facebook to censor thought they
don't like, along with Google's announcement that its App Store will no longer
allow downloads of Parler unless it kowtows to them, are shocking, but hardly
surprising anymore. "Public virtue cannot exist in a nation without private,
and public virtue is the only foundation of republics. There must be a positive
passion for the public good, the public interest, honour, power and glory,
established in the minds of the people, or there can be no republican
government, nor any real liberty: and this public passion must be superior to
all private passions." -----Original Message-----
From: Terry Meyer <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2021 11:08 pm
Subject: [pa64] Re: Dc riotsI won't address all, or even most, of your points,
Rob. I do have three additional questions for you, though: 1. Because the TX
suit was dismissed and because you defer to their (SCOTUS) judgement, what is
value of the US Constitution which states that the legislatures of the states
set the "Times, Places and Manners of holding elections"? What if the Governor
of PA decides that PA elections should be published in Spanish only and be open
for a year before any election? Or the Governor of North Dakota requires a
literacy test? Perhaps silly examples, but it makes the point that the state
Executive branch seems to have no limits on its power with regard to elections
as long as the state court agrees. I do believe Texas (and North Carolina
voters) voters were disenfranchised, albeit indirectly. Is the state
Executive's power now absolute in setting the Times, Places, and Manners of
elections? Given that all courts are more and more politicized, other than a
state court, what are the checks on the Executive? 2. Given the recent history
of the Dems, in particular their coup attempt, do you believe that stealing a
national election, regardless of whether you have 'seen the evidence', is
outside the bounds of what they are capable of doing and what is ethically
acceptable to them? 3. Do you have any sense of blaming the victim? With
everything Trump has been through (it exceeds greatly what any recent
Republican President, including GWB, has endured), is his behavior really so
out of bounds? I think you (and others quick to criticize him) need to take a
step back and remember the past election, which I don't believe anyone other
than Trump could have won. He put in focus issues (illegal immigration, fake
news, unfair trade policy, endless wars, weakened military) that were not front
and center before he stepped on the stage. He got 74 million votes in 2020
.Despite what you say, or despite what the Washington Post or New York Times of
NBC says, I don't believe he has damaged the Republican brand for most of those
74 million. He is and was a flawed candidate. We knew that in 2016. We know
that today. But it is a package. I don't think we will have to 'suck it up and
eat crow' today anymore than 8 or 12 years ago. I think if he were as smooth
and as articulate as, say Obama,or as civil as Romney, he would not have won
in 2016. His pugnaciousness, his willingness to engage the way Dems do, his
willingness to be nasty, his willingness to not be PC, his willingness to say
out loud what we were all thinking, is part and parcel of the flawed man. It is
also entirely consistent with the unpresidential behavior you find so
objectionable. So last question: are you angry at Trump because he is a jerk
post election, or because he lost? PS I completely agree with you that
Giuliani was a poor choice, to put it mildly. Terry
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Dieter <robert.dieter@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Terry: 1. As for the Texas
lawsuit, I didn’t read the briefs. I appreciate the intellectual argument.
However, the Supreme Court clearly signaled it wasn’t about to open this can of
worms and I defer to their judgement. It wasn’t as if Texas voters were
disenfranchised because Pennsylvania did not follow the rule of law laid down
by their legislature and constitution and interpreted by their state courts. I
did read closely the Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision. The Court gave
Pennsylvania’s equal protection a liberal application in light of the pandemic.
I thought they did not have support to equate as acceptable the deadline for
receipt of civilian/domestic absentee ballots with that for military mailings,
but otherwise the rule of law as interpreted gave cover. The set-aside of
affected ballots wasn’t numerically significant so the case was moot.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-542/162063/20201130140620945_RPP%20Opp%20Cert%20v.FINAL.pdf
2. As to “irregularities,” I don’t endorse unrestricted mail-in voting,
allowing voting for months ahead of the election date, same day registration
etc. I hope states will tighten up, but it’s not likely since Democrats label
every such move “voter suppression” - racist. I see Nancy wants to review
the voting rights act so that should be "interesting." I didn’t listen to the
state testimony you reference. But where is the beef? Most of the stuff has
been explained. Under the rules in place, Trump lost. I’ve heard lots of
assertions, but I have not seen any cogent offer of proof summarized in written
form. If one is floating around, I’d like to see it. Not internet videotape
or extrapolation of some isolated or anecdotal event. I’ve read about sharpie
pens; "over votes" in Michigan that turned out to be double counting Minnesota
counties by mistake; somebody's cell phone shot of Biden ballot “dumps” and on
and on. Somebody already voted for my wife....two times.... Legitimate
claims Trump may have had were overwhelmed by the bizarre conspiracy theories
and unsubstantiated assertions his “team” put out at that clown show of a press
conference. Did he have a James Baker type? No, he had Rudi – “a fantastic,
incredible mayor, the best” etc. The guy who kept screwing up the Ukraine
press interviews and called for trial by combat at the rally. And Sidney
Powell must have been either on or off her meds.... 3. Attached is a link to
the Georgia Settlement Agreement. I don’t know the why and wherefores leading
up to this, but it was signed March 6th. Where was the RNC? Trump’s campaign?
Probably confident they were going to win Georgia so who cared? Trump is
pissed because he got out maneuvered.
https://demdoc2.perkinscoieblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/07/GA-Settlement-1.pdf
I listened to about 90% of Trump’s phone call to the Georgia Sec’y of State.
Trump acted like an angry child who thought he could bully to get his way.
Whenever he was (politely) confronted with contrary facts, he blew them off
them, dismissed them as irrelevant because he “won Georgia by a lot…thousands
and thousands…” Otherwise, people were “incompetent or crooked.” He couldn’t
have lost because he had “big, big crowds at the rallies” and nobody showed up
for Joe’s. People in Alabama and South Carolina told him “there was no way”
he could have lost Georgia. “This stuff is all over the internet.” “Hundreds
of thousands of ballots…” “People are really upset” Dominion voting machines
“innards” are being removed.. They burned 300 pounds of ballots somewhere…..
blah, blah. He wouldn’t let the lawyers on his side talk because he, of
course, knows all. And according the Georgia people, Rudi heavily edited his
videotape. 4. As to the unfairness of it all, I agree. Now thanks to Trump,
Republicans will have to suck it up and eat crow. Trump has a habit of making
it difficult to defend him. He has been balancing on the edge since
mid-November. In this instance he crossed the line. There is nothing else to
say. Trump didn’t explicitly yell: “Let’s go storm the Congressional offices.”
So what? What the hell was his point in telling everyone to go over there?
A sit-in? A hunger strike? They were going to hold a mock trial? Didn’t it
even cross his mind that some nut-job might take a shot at someone or start a
fight might? Yes, there was the Russian hoax. Yes, there was a bogus partisan
impeachment. Yes, Nancy Pelosi tore up Trump’s state of the Union address.
Yes, Democrats objected to electors in earlier occasions. Yes, politicians and
media claimed all summer that BLM rioting was justified to address
“grievances.” Yes, progressive radicals taunted and harassed Republicans at
restaurants and at their homes. Yes, the media treats him unfairly. Etc.
etc. But the bottom line: I expect more from the President of the United
States. I expect that person to be able to rise above, not constantly,
eagerly jump into the mud pit. Since the election, Trump has disgraced
himself, his family, his legacy, Republicans and most tragically the country.
Believe me, this is horrendous for our image overseas. 5. As president,
Trump’s is not really entitled to believe whatever he wants when that belief is
at odds with the reality of his constitutional obligation. Ted Cruz can
believe whatever BS he believes will advance his political interests. But Ted
Cruz returned to type - a demagogic opportunist too frequently too cute by
half. He knew his gambit in Senate was a futile exercise, but he thought he
could position himself as heir to the Trump movement by spewing simplistic
constitutional BS and quoting some founding father. Same with Josh Hawley.
They gambled and it blew up in their faces. 6. I don't think the 25th
Amendment is applicable and impeachment is not practicable. Hopefully Trump
will go play golf for the next few days and China/Iran/NK/Russia won't choose
to do something provocative. I thought Mitch McConnell was exemplary. I wish
Schumer could have risen to the moment, but he did not. Thank God for Mike
Pence. The guy was a rock. From: pa64-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<pa64-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of rhelkins <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:51 AM
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pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [pa64] Re: Dc riots On a minor point, I made reference to dinner
parties in Georgetown. That may be outdated. Barack Obama and Jeff Bezos in
recent years bought mansions in the Kalorama section of DC (which I'm sure only
coincidentally is near the Chinese Embassy). That may be where the really
important dinners that RINOs so value are now being held these days.
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From: Terry Meyer <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2021 1:01 am
Subject: [pa64] Re: Dc riotsRandy, I agree with you. I generally agree with
Rob, but in this case, I don't. Questions for you Rob: do you agree with
SCOTUS dismissal of the TX suit? Did you listen to any of the testimony about
"irregularities" (the nice word) in MI, AZ, PA or GA? Have you sorted through
any of the evidence (much of it is online) of fraud? I don't know how I come
out on the topic, but there are real questions in my mind about fraud. If this
were a "one-off", one could certainly say "coincidence" and ignore it. But
Trump has been the subject of unrelenting and phony attacks from the media and
the Dems in Congress (not to mention RINOs and never-Trumpers), starting with a
mischaracterization of his speech announcing his run for President and spying
on his Presidential campaign under false pretenses. He certainly has a right to
believe (as I do) that there is no shame or ethical boundary holding back the
Dems, and certainly no limits on what they would use to pursue him. He has
every right to believe there was significant fraud which cost him the election.
This isn't phony Russia collusion. A coup in America??? Seems that's
justification enough to fight back with everything you've got and to believe
that the Dems are trying to get you again. Narcissism? I'd say realism and self
preservation. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to
get you ... Terry
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the original message. On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 2:49:33 PM EST, rhelkins
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Fascinating take on the situation. I
think Trump was justified in everything he did to fight the obvious voting
fraud that stole the election, up to and including interpreting the
Constitution in any reasonable way to overcome the massive conspiracy to get
rid of him. I listened to and reread his address yesterday and found nothing
inciting to riot or anything else improper. If some of his supporters took
things too far, that's on them, not him, although now that the dust has settled
it seems that there was no personal injury other than the murder by law
enforcement of an unarmed Trump supporter and three health-related deaths,
presumably heart attacks. What's most interesting to me are the rats leaving
the ship today, presumably to save their ability to continue to be invited to
dinner parties in Georgetown. Barr has been the biggest disappointment. Ted
Cruz, on the other hand, has shown himself to be a courageous patriot, or,
alternatively, the brilliant cynical preserver of a viability to run in the
Republican primaries in 2024. Either way, he has been one of the few bright
lights. By the way, do you really think "loathsome" is a sufficiently
pejorative for Schumer and Pelosi? Was Hitler merely loathsome, a word we find
in libel law paired with "disease" to provide a basis for libel per se? I think
not. The Democrats are more Satanic than merely loathsome. Assuming Pelosi and
Schumer are unsuccessful in their current plan to impeach and remove Trump and
thus make him ineligible to run again, I will be happy to vote for him again.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Dieter <robert.dieter@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 1:40 pm
Subject: [pa64] Re: Dc riotsTrump's refusal to accept reality is either
deranged or a despicable, cynical ploy foisted on his followers. Probably
both. Trump lost. He got out maneuvered, rejected - what have you. The
worst thing a public figure can do is conform to stereotype and unfortunately
Trump's refusal to accept reality confirms all the horrors the left has
propagated about him - he's nuts, he's dangerous, he's going to stage a
military coup, he makes American look like a bunch of yahoos. Sure - the
media will hypocritically condemn his "followers" without criticizing e.g. all
the chaos of the BLM demonstrators, Nancy Pelosi disrespectfully ripping up the
State of the Union address etc. But Tom Cotton is correct - insurrection in
whatever form is lawlessness and is to be condemned. There is no "on the
other hand." Or "But they did....." Trump accomplished many good things. I
supported his policies. He was treated unfairly, endured the shameful Russian
hoax and a bogus, partisan impeachment. He is a certainly a victim in that
regard - but he also fed off that victim status. He has been his own worst
enemy and is now demonstrating a degree of narcissism that is pathological and
question if he can hold it together for the next 13 days. In the process he
is doing enormous damage to the Republican brand. I don't know if Trump is
directly responsible for the Georgia senate results but he sure didn't make it
easy on anyone and the turnout numbers suggest he screwed it up. Frankly,
Trump can do me a favor if he shuts up, gets off his twitter and leaves the
stage with whatever dignity he can muster. Pelosi and Schumer are loathsome,
but we will have to endure. Time to move on and look for fresh Republican
faces....Haley, Cotton and others. IMHO, Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley are
toast.From: pa64-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <pa64-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
rhelkins <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:32 AM
To: pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [pa64] Re: Dc riots This is more believable than what the MSM is
feeding us. -----Original Message-----
From: John Mccullough <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 10:40 am
Subject: [pa64] Dc riotsIn case anyone missed the below right wing distortion
of the narrative. There is simply no way that Antifa could have engaged a false
flag attack to hurt Trump and sow chaos. The fbi and cia would never sanction
this type of action.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/questions-about-chaos-capitol-desperately-need-be-answered
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