I won't address all, or even most, of your points, Rob. I do have three
additional questions for you, though:
1. Because the TX suit was dismissed and because you defer to their (SCOTUS)
judgement, what is value of the US Constitution which states that the
legislatures of the states set the "Times, Places and Manners of holding
elections"? What if the Governor of PA decides that PA elections should be
published in Spanish only and be open for a year before any election? Or the
Governor of North Dakota requires a literacy test? Perhaps silly examples, but
it makes the point that the state Executive branch seems to have no limits on
its power with regard to elections as long as the state court agrees. I do
believe Texas (and North Carolina voters) voters were disenfranchised, albeit
indirectly. Is the state Executive's power now absolute in setting the Times,
Places, and Manners of elections? Given that all courts are more and more
politicized, other than a state court, what are the checks on the Executive?
2. Given the recent history of the Dems, in particular their coup attempt, do
you believe that stealing a national election, regardless of whether you have
'seen the evidence', is outside the bounds of what they are capable of doing
and what is ethically acceptable to them?
3. Do you have any sense of blaming the victim? With everything Trump has been
through (it exceeds greatly what any recent Republican President, including
GWB, has endured), is his behavior really so out of bounds? I think you (and
others quick to criticize him) need to take a step back and remember the past
election, which I don't believe anyone other than Trump could have won. He put
in focus issues (illegal immigration, fake news, unfair trade policy, endless
wars, weakened military) that were not front and center before he stepped on
the stage. He got 74 million votes in 2020 .Despite what you say, or despite
what the Washington Post or New York Times of NBC says, I don't believe he has
damaged the Republican brand for most of those 74 million. He is and was a
flawed candidate. We knew that in 2016. We know that today. But it is a
package. I don't think we will have to 'suck it up and eat crow' today anymore
than 8 or 12 years ago. I think if he were as smooth and as articulate as, say
Obama,or as civil as Romney, he would not have won in 2016. His
pugnaciousness, his willingness to engage the way Dems do, his willingness to
be nasty, his willingness to not be PC, his willingness to say out loud what we
were all thinking, is part and parcel of the flawed man. It is also entirely
consistent with the unpresidential behavior you find so objectionable. So last
question: are you angry at Trump because he is a jerk post election, or because
he lost?
PS I completely agree with you that Giuliani was a poor choice, to put it
mildly.
Terry
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On Friday, January 8, 2021, 3:56:53 PM EST, Robert Dieter
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Terry:
1. As for the Texas lawsuit, I didn’t read the briefs. I appreciate the
intellectual argument. However, the Supreme Court clearly signaled it wasn’t
about to open this can of worms and I defer to their judgement.
It wasn’t as if Texas voters were disenfranchised because Pennsylvania did not
follow the rule of law laid down by their legislature and constitution and
interpreted by their state courts. I did read closely the Pennsylvania Supreme
Court decision. The Court gave Pennsylvania’s equal protection a liberal
application in light of the pandemic. I thought they did not have support to
equate as acceptable the deadline for receipt of civilian/domestic absentee
ballots with that for military mailings, but otherwise the rule of law as
interpreted gave cover. The set-aside of affected ballots wasn’t numerically
significant so the case was moot.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-542/162063/20201130140620945_RPP%20Opp%20Cert%20v.FINAL.pdf
2. As to “irregularities,” I don’t endorse unrestricted mail-in voting,
allowing voting for months ahead of the election date, same day registration
etc. I hope states will tighten up, but it’s not likely since Democrats label
every such move “voter suppression” - racist. I see Nancy wants to review
the voting rights act so that should be "interesting."
I didn’t listen to the state testimony you reference. But where is the beef?
Most of the stuff has been explained. Under the rules in place, Trump lost.
I’ve heard lots of assertions, but I have not seen any cogent offer of proof
summarized in written form. If one is floating around, I’d like to see it.
Not internet videotape or extrapolation of some isolated or anecdotal event.
I’ve read about sharpie pens; "over votes" in Michigan that turned out to be
double counting Minnesota counties by mistake; somebody's cell phone shot of
Biden ballot “dumps” and on and on. Somebody already voted for my
wife....two times....
Legitimate claims Trump may have had were overwhelmed by the bizarre conspiracy
theories and unsubstantiated assertions his “team” put out at that clown show
of a press conference. Did he have a James Baker type? No, he had Rudi – “a
fantastic, incredible mayor, the best” etc. The guy who kept screwing up the
Ukraine press interviews and called for trial by combat at the rally. And
Sidney Powell must have been either on or off her meds....
3. Attached is a link to the Georgia Settlement Agreement. I don’t know the
why and wherefores leading up to this, but it was signed March 6th. Where was
the RNC? Trump’s campaign? Probably confident they were going to win Georgia
so who cared? Trump is pissed because he got out maneuvered.
https://demdoc2.perkinscoieblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/07/GA-Settlement-1.pdf
I listened to about 90% of Trump’s phone call to the Georgia Sec’y of State.
Trump acted like an angry child who thought he could bully to get his way.
Whenever he was (politely) confronted with contrary facts, he blew them off
them, dismissed them as irrelevant because he “won Georgia by a lot…thousands
and thousands…” Otherwise, people were “incompetent or crooked.” He couldn’t
have lost because he had “big, big crowds at the rallies” and nobody showed up
for Joe’s. People in Alabama and South Carolina told him “there was no way”
he could have lost Georgia. “This stuff is all over the internet.” “Hundreds
of thousands of ballots…” “People are really upset” Dominion voting machines
“innards” are being removed.. They burned 300 pounds of ballots somewhere…..
blah, blah. He wouldn’t let the lawyers on his side talk because he, of
course, knows all. And according the Georgia people, Rudi heavily edited his
videotape.
4. As to the unfairness of it all, I agree. Now thanks to Trump, Republicans
will have to suck it up and eat crow. Trump has a habit of making it
difficult to defend him. He has been balancing on the edge since
mid-November. In this instance he crossed the line. There is nothing else to
say. Trump didn’t explicitly yell: “Let’s go storm the Congressional offices.”
So what? What the hell was his point in telling everyone to go over there?
A sit-in? A hunger strike? They were going to hold a mock trial? Didn’t it
even cross his mind that some nut-job might take a shot at someone or start a
fight might?
Yes, there was the Russian hoax. Yes, there was a bogus partisan impeachment.
Yes, Nancy Pelosi tore up Trump’s state of the Union address. Yes, Democrats
objected to electors in earlier occasions. Yes, politicians and media claimed
all summer that BLM rioting was justified to address “grievances.” Yes,
progressive radicals taunted and harassed Republicans at restaurants and at
their homes. Yes, the media treats him unfairly. Etc. etc. But the bottom
line: I expect more from the President of the United States. I expect that
person to be able to rise above, not constantly, eagerly jump into the mud pit.
Since the election, Trump has disgraced himself, his family, his legacy,
Republicans and most tragically the country. Believe me, this is horrendous
for our image overseas.
5. As president, Trump’s is not really entitled to believe whatever he wants
when that belief is at odds with the reality of his constitutional obligation.
Ted Cruz can believe whatever BS he believes will advance his political
interests. But Ted Cruz returned to type - a demagogic opportunist too
frequently too cute by half. He knew his gambit in Senate was a futile
exercise, but he thought he could position himself as heir to the Trump
movement by spewing simplistic constitutional BS and quoting some founding
father. Same with Josh Hawley. They gambled and it blew up in their faces.
6. I don't think the 25th Amendment is applicable and impeachment is not
practicable. Hopefully Trump will go play golf for the next few days and
China/Iran/NK/Russia won't choose to do something provocative.
I thought Mitch McConnell was exemplary. I wish Schumer could have risen to
the moment, but he did not.
Thank God for Mike Pence. The guy was a rock.
From: pa64-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <pa64-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
rhelkins <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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To: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
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Subject: [pa64] Re: Dc riots On a minor point, I made reference to dinner
parties in Georgetown. That may be outdated. Barack Obama and Jeff Bezos in
recent years bought mansions in the Kalorama section of DC (which I'm sure only
coincidentally is near the Chinese Embassy). That may be where the really
important dinners that RINOs so value are now being held these days.
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Subject: [pa64] Re: Dc riots
Randy, I agree with you. I generally agree with Rob, but in this case, I don't.
Questions for you Rob: do you agree with SCOTUS dismissal of the TX suit? Did
you listen to any of the testimony about "irregularities" (the nice word) in
MI, AZ, PA or GA? Have you sorted through any of the evidence (much of it is
online) of fraud? I don't know how I come out on the topic, but there are real
questions in my mind about fraud. If this were a "one-off", one could certainly
say "coincidence" and ignore it. But Trump has been the subject of unrelenting
and phony attacks from the media and the Dems in Congress (not to mention RINOs
and never-Trumpers), starting with a mischaracterization of his speech
announcing his run for President and spying on his Presidential campaign under
false pretenses. He certainly has a right to believe (as I do) that there is no
shame or ethical boundary holding back the Dems, and certainly no limits on
what they would use to pursue him. He has every right to believe there was
significant fraud which cost him the election. This isn't phony Russia
collusion.
A coup in America??? Seems that's justification enough to fight back with
everything you've got and to believe that the Dems are trying to get you again.
Narcissism? I'd say realism and self preservation.
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you ...
Terry
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On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 2:49:33 PM EST, rhelkins
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Fascinating take on the situation. I think Trump was justified in everything
he did to fight the obvious voting fraud that stole the election, up to and
including interpreting the Constitution in any reasonable way to overcome the
massive conspiracy to get rid of him. I listened to and reread his address
yesterday and found nothing inciting to riot or anything else improper. If some
of his supporters took things too far, that's on them, not him, although now
that the dust has settled it seems that there was no personal injury other than
the murder by law enforcement of an unarmed Trump supporter and three
health-related deaths, presumably heart attacks. What's most interesting to me
are the rats leaving the ship today, presumably to save their ability to
continue to be invited to dinner parties in Georgetown. Barr has been the
biggest disappointment. Ted Cruz, on the other hand, has shown himself to be a
courageous patriot, or, alternatively, the brilliant cynical preserver of a
viability to run in the Republican primaries in 2024. Either way, he has been
one of the few bright lights. By the way, do you really think "loathsome" is a
sufficiently pejorative for Schumer and Pelosi? Was Hitler merely loathsome, a
word we find in libel law paired with "disease" to provide a basis for libel
per se? I think not. The Democrats are more Satanic than merely loathsome.
Assuming Pelosi and Schumer are unsuccessful in their current plan to impeach
and remove Trump and thus make him ineligible to run again, I will be happy to
vote for him again.
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From: Robert Dieter <robert.dieter@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 1:40 pm
Subject: [pa64] Re: Dc riots
Trump's refusal to accept reality is either deranged or a despicable, cynical
ploy foisted on his followers. Probably both.
Trump lost. He got out maneuvered, rejected - what have you. The worst thing
a public figure can do is conform to stereotype and unfortunately Trump's
refusal to accept reality confirms all the horrors the left has propagated
about him - he's nuts, he's dangerous, he's going to stage a military coup, he
makes American look like a bunch of yahoos.
Sure - the media will hypocritically condemn his "followers" without
criticizing e.g. all the chaos of the BLM demonstrators, Nancy Pelosi
disrespectfully ripping up the State of the Union address etc. But Tom Cotton
is correct - insurrection in whatever form is lawlessness and is to be
condemned. There is no "on the other hand." Or "But they did....."
Trump accomplished many good things. I supported his policies. He was
treated unfairly, endured the shameful Russian hoax and a bogus, partisan
impeachment. He is a certainly a victim in that regard - but he also fed off
that victim status. He has been his own worst enemy and is now demonstrating a
degree of narcissism that is pathological and question if he can hold it
together for the next 13 days. In the process he is doing enormous damage to
the Republican brand. I don't know if Trump is directly responsible for the
Georgia senate results but he sure didn't make it easy on anyone and the
turnout numbers suggest he screwed it up.
Frankly, Trump can do me a favor if he shuts up, gets off his twitter and
leaves the stage with whatever dignity he can muster. Pelosi and Schumer are
loathsome, but we will have to endure. Time to move on and look for fresh
Republican faces....Haley, Cotton and others. IMHO, Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley
are toast.From: pa64-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <pa64-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf
of rhelkins <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:32 AM
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Subject: [pa64] Re: Dc riots This is more believable than what the MSM is
feeding us.
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To: pa64@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 10:40 am
Subject: [pa64] Dc riots
In case anyone missed the below right wing distortion of the narrative. There
is simply no way that Antifa could have engaged a false flag attack to hurt
Trump and sow chaos. The fbi and cia would never sanction this type of action.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/questions-about-chaos-capitol-desperately-need-be-answered
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