IMHO, Oracle (as well as other vendors) will comply with standards when the database market actually desires it. Currently there are several vendors who each implement there own dbms with their own proprietary advantages and shortcomings and I personally like many of the cases where Oracle explicitly does not comply with the standard as I believe the standard to insufficient or incorrect; I will not go into the list of features as I believe this is a matter of taste to which there is no arguing (right or wrong). If all the database vendors wrote just to standard and nothing more/nothing less than what would be the point in having more than one vendor? I like that each vendor tries to out do all the other vendors, which leads to additional feature beyond the standard and eventually to better products, and if we had to wait for new standards to come prior to a vendor implementing new features, we'd all be waiting a very long time and many of the features that we rely on today would never exist. If a person doesn?t like the way a particular system works then he can choose a different one, plain and simple. And if you believe that a there is a strong enough market need for a dbms that complies with all standards, start your own and see if everyone flocks to it. The fact that one doesn't exist today and that people spend billions of dollars on the current products leads me to believe that the current vendors are on the right track. Ken Naim -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Leandro Guimaraes Faria C. Dutra Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 3:30 PM To: jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Lex de Haan; Oracle-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Re[2]: Anyone with experience with MMOG and databases? oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx gravou em 2005-08-12 17:13:43: > Was SQL/PSM even around when Oracle came up with PL/SQL? No, but does it matter? What bugs me is that Oracle shows no sign of wanting to comply eventually. -- Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA Administrador de Bases de Dados +55 (11) 4390 5383 Toyota do Brasil Ltda ldutra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx São Bernardo do Campo, SP BRASIL This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged and intended solely for the use of the person/entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received it by mistake please notify the sender by returning via e-mail as well as delete this message from your system. Any unauthorized use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is prohibited. Please note that e-mails are susceptible to change. TOYOTA DO BRASIL LTDA (including its group companies) shall not be liable for the improper or incomplete transmission of the information contained in this communication, neither for personal, nonbusiness related information nor opinion sent through this email or even for any delay in its receipt or damage to your system. TOYOTA DO BRASIL LTDA (or its group companies) does not guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been kept nor that this communication is free of viruses, interceptions or interference. -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l