At 6:31 PM -0500 1/14/05, Manfredi, Albert E wrote: >This is a fascinating thread. Good observations Bert! It should come as no surprise that a digital TV standard, which was designed to deal with legacy analog/digital signal processing and CRT problems, would have some quirky attributes. It is ALSO not unusual for video types to turn a defect into a feature. The fact that the small area response to an impulse is different than a large area response to the identical stimulus is a defect. One , which happens to work in the defined situation. The fact that the specular highlights are being clipped, rather than given values that are appropriate for these highlights is also a defect. In fact it is one of the major defects of "video" that keep the folks in Hollywood shooting film. The correct approach is to encode luminance values properly. This implies two important things: 1. That there be adequate headroom in the encoding system to handle both specular highlights and details in the dark areas of the image; 2. That the luminance encoding ranges be extended in the dark and highlight areas of the image such that it is possible to provide more detail in these ares (this by default makes it possible to differentiate between an are that is at full brightness, versus a specular highlight that is above this level. One of the tricks that we have used for years to deal with this shortcoming is to set the nominal while level for a display or an image processing system at approximately 90% of the peak luma value. This leaves the last 10% to deal with highlights. By the way, NTSC encodes do allow this kind of information to be encoded. >Seems to me that the newer types of display >could incorporate whatever smarts are >needed to post-process the incoming data >to emulate the CRT response. If they need >scalers and deinterlacers anyway, they >already have built-in smarts. As a band-aid to deal with legacy content Bert may have a point, although it is relatively easy to adjust a display to deal with this type of source imagery properly. But there is NO reason to continue using video encoding techniques that do not improve the ability to delive more detail at the ends of the luminance ranges. Your LCD panel does just fine in reproducing all of these values. If you doubt this, just hook up a graphics card that supports 24 bit RGB and try it out. You now have 256 steps for luminance instead of 219, and a much larger color gamut than can be encoded with either NTSC or MPEG. Regards Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.