[opendtv] [RE: opendtv] Latest 5th Gen (recalling what Groucho Marx used to say...)
- From: dmenolan <dmenolan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Open DTV list <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:43:28 -0500
Hi Bob,
Thanks for this. This cuts through all the crap being spouted by a number=
of people on this list. Mentioning no names!. These vendors are not stup=
id: they have already concluded that it is too costly to make working rec=
eivers with good indoor reception via 8VSB. The reasons for this are the =
high BOM cost, the high tuner selectivity required, the very low level of=
demand for 8VSB STBs, the high R+D costs and the absence of a commercial=
ly marketed DTV system in the US. the majority of the US public are cable=
and satellite so they will have concluded: who cares? Then the ATSC offe=
r will simply be a dirtcheap 8VSBdemod/tuner etc to 'go through the DTV =
motions'(exactly as forecast by Frank Eory on this reflector several year=
s ago.) You can also be sure that these very same vendors will be activel=
y pursuing COFDM solutions throughout the rest of the world as a) there a=
re markets aplenty b) it works c) the competition is very tough in the CO=
FDM STB world but d) there is a great deal of R+D and silicon development=
: especially the drive to COFDM digital SOC solutions (TI Hollywood chip,=
hilariously the latest COFDM innovation is being brought to market by a=
US company etc..)
I think this fiasco can be traced back to NIHS, early misconceptions abou=
t COFDM, the incompetence of the FCC, ignorance on the part of politician=
s who believe lobby groups, the lack of independent testing, and we shoul=
d never underestimate the cockup theory of history.
As Groucho Marx used to say: 'That's another fine mess you have got me in=
!'
Kind Regards,
Dermot Nolan
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Date: 22/03/105 07:45 PM
RE: [opendtv] Latest 5th Gen
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Talked to LG and my other manufacturer in Korea at length.
LG is not making STB's with their 5th generation chip because the cost =
of making them is to high relative to the price they can charge. The =
cost is in the HD decoder area. They are working on reducing that cost. =
They expect to have low cost converters, SD only, by the end of next =
year. These converters will be capable of HD but will not output it. I =
asked if that means they will also have inexpensive HD receivers by then =
and did not get an answer.
The receiver that I tested last week is not sensitive enough. LG is =
working on improving that now with the other manufacturer. One =
difference I was told between the prototype we tested last summer and =
the one we tested last week was that the 5th gen chip was not in the =
tuner in the prototype. This recent receiver was the latest tuner card =
from LG Innotech and the 5th gen chip was in the tuner. .
They are working with my other manufacturer and I will tell you getting =
them to make this receiver will be hard. No one seems that interested in =
8-VSB STB's. Maybe I should start taking names of those who want one so =
we can asses demand.
Really sort of strange that the two biggest critics of 8-VSB in this =
huge country, Sinclair Broadcasting and myself are the ones showing the =
most interest in a decent 8-VSB receiver. The FCC is doing nothing that =
I know of. Congress is ignoring the subject entirely convinced that it =
does not exist. The manufacturer that stands to make the most from 8-VSB =
and one of the only ones making an 8-VSB receiver at all declines to =
make the first decent one because of cost.
I still remember the shock that I experienced when I found out that =
people were attacking Sinclair over COFDM. We had just come back from =
Europe where we had met with a number of companies about COFDM and had =
been really impressed with the level of activity around it. We thought =
we had this big secret that for some unfathomable reason US broadcasters =
had not discovered yet.
I still cannot comprehend the unreality of it all. It simply does not =
make sense that this is happening in the US. How can we as a country act =
this stupid? And it goes on. I have not been quiet about my attitude =
toward LG and 8-VSB in talking to anyone there including those who =
developed the 5th generation chip. I have told them we more than prefer =
COFDM, we intensely dislike 8-VSB.
Would you believe they are sending a TV crew and reporters to interview =
us on our opinion about 8-VSB and their 5th generation receiver? They =
are, next week.
Bob Miller
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