Their current Sky+ box can be looped through to a DVD-R using the RGB out= on the box. And there are companies which provide digital out from the S= ky+ box, at very significant cost and violation of the warranty. The stuf= f thats copy protected at the moment is high value PPV movies and one-off= events not conventional pay-TV. That could change with HD at studio insi= stence. Note that this is an MPEG4 Thomson box, ptrobably very similar to= the DirecTV MPEG4 HD also being procured by News. The interesting thing = is whether it will use DVB-S2 as a combination of MPEG4/S2 is an 80% effi= ciency gain over the current DVB-S/MPEG2 Sky system. One thing is certain= with Sky: they *ALWAYS* follow the money.. Regards, DN -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: , INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = Date: 03/03/105 16:55 PM RE: [opendtv] Re: News: BSkyB advances HDTV launch = Hi, = > Richard Freudenstein, revealed that Sky's = > HDTV box would feature a similar Personal Video Recorder capability = > to the existing Sky+ box. > Freudenstein said that offering PVR capability as a standard in the = > HDTV arena will ensure that Sky+'s 6000,000 subscribers would = > continue to enjoy control and flexibility in association with the = > highest-quality programming. This is kinda smart... by including a hard disk, you give the = customer the ability to time-shift and to repeat a transmission. = But you don't give him the capability to record an infinite = amount of programming, or to take it out of the settop box. = By giving the customer 80% of what he needs, you don't need to = bother with making an output for an external recording device, = and thus you don't have to worry about content protection ! = The file format on the hard disk is typically non-standard, and = (supposedly) incomprehensible for PCs (that have DVD recorders). = So this generous offer is in fact a smart method of copy protection. = The DTV receiver with the built-in PVR is a natural combination... = Regards, = -- Jeroen = +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------= --+ | From: Jeroen H. 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