I am hoping what follows will result in some healthy discussion. I am asking some questions regarding the use of playback as I'd like to know why birders have certain parameters for use of such, and not as a challenge to those who oppose such. Craig Miller brings up the request to not use playback for boreal owls, as least those near the South Sister. I have occasionally wondered why some birders are for or against such, so am wondering if some could offer the pros and cons here. When I was last in Ecuador I found that many birders and birding guides are quite free in using pygmy owl playback to get responses from what is in the area, (as well as hoping for another pygmy owl) since many bird species seem to detest the presence of pygmy owls and will often present their case about it. I get the idea that those who use playback more or less keep that knowledge to themselves rather than risk getting the frown from those who do, so it may be more common than believed? Some seem to be persuaded that playback should never be used, while others use it sparingly, while others use it freely. So does the situation dictate how it should be used? If a bird is quite common and represented by millions of its species, what effect will a little playback have on the situation? Or, if a species is quite rare and playback may risk its quality of life, limiting playback may be the appropriate thing to do. I understand that at the present time in the NW those working with spotted owls may first play barred owl playback to make sure that species is not in the area before using spotted owl playback for what research they are doing. Seems logical. To the bird in question – Boreal Owls in Oregon. We probably don't know or have much of an idea of the population in the state, due to their habitat being out of reach when they are calling, so how do we know if we area harming them or not? Or is harassing them the issue? Since they are territoral, no doubt one will enter another's domain and give his call once in a while. So what is the difference between using the occasion call back verses the natural thing which no doubt happens at least some of the time? On a related vein, I often do not report owl sightings, especially something more rare, because past experience has shown me that there is the downside that when it gets publicized even non birders may go to the location to check it out, and the excess of people in the owl's residence has caused them to head for more peaceful locales. Maybe this thread will motivate some to expand our understanding the range of Boreal Owls in Oregon, which hopefully will be a good thing. Bill Tice: Birding - The best excuse for getting outdoors, and avoiding chores.