I'm not sure the claim is that "illiterate people raised this complaint." I do know, however, that among peoples with great oral storytelling traditions, such as native americans, there was for a long time, well into the 20th century, a great reluctance to turn their oral histories into a written one. I believe that reluctance is dying down now given the fear that the traditions will be lost otherwise. Tom Crabtree, Bend -----Original Message----- From: obol-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:obol-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joel Geier Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 10:31 AM To: Oregon Birders OnLine Subject: [obol] Re: OBOL -- years from now P.S. This is pretty far off-topic, but regarding Rich's comment about the development of the written word and its impact on oral traditions ... This is the first time I've ever heard the claim that illiterate people raised this complaint at the time that various societies developed written languages, centuries ago, even though I once took a class in Old English poetry (which dealt with precisely that period in the development of the English language). You can certainly find modern scholars of oral traditions who are willing to point out what we've lost. When you look at the lasting cultural influence of oral-formulaic compositions such as The Iliad, The Odyssey, Beowulf, or even of the West African griot who informed Alex Haley about his ancestors' roots -- compared with say, any of the thousands of actuarial lists of X shekels of wheat that were recorded on clay tablets in ancient Mesopotamia -- you can see that they have a point. Good birding, Joel OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx