P.S. This is pretty far off-topic, but regarding Rich's comment about the development of the written word and its impact on oral traditions ... This is the first time I've ever heard the claim that illiterate people raised this complaint at the time that various societies developed written languages, centuries ago, even though I once took a class in Old English poetry (which dealt with precisely that period in the development of the English language). You can certainly find modern scholars of oral traditions who are willing to point out what we've lost. When you look at the lasting cultural influence of oral-formulaic compositions such as The Iliad, The Odyssey, Beowulf, or even of the West African griot who informed Alex Haley about his ancestors' roots -- compared with say, any of the thousands of actuarial lists of X shekels of wheat that were recorded on clay tablets in ancient Mesopotamia -- you can see that they have a point. Good birding, Joel OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx