Looking again - I agree with Brandon - the flanks and pinkish back are more indicative of a Cassin's Finch. This reminds of a bad golf swing that no matter what you do to try and correct it, you keep hitting in the $%!^. I don't believe practice make perfect - I believe perfect practice makes perfect, and perfect practice cannot be accomplished in privacy. That's my excuse for trying the patience of all those watching and saying to themselves "can he really be this slow". Thank you Brandon, - Jack -- Jack Williamson West Linn, Oregon