How thin of a layer? Butt paste is getting into surrounding fur and causing
Mats which cause redness of the skin. The butt paste didn’t cleAr up the
redness overnight anyway so not sure it’s helpful
-Brenda
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On Dec 12, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Roberta Kessler <rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Oh Brenda,
I feel so bad for all of you. It sounds like Frodo is really making progress
with his mobility, but the urine scald is a problem. The only time I layered
product on Riley was when I used Neosporin very sparingly...and then a thon
layer of Desitin or Butt Paste. As for the other topical..I don't know..and
hopefully someone else on here can advise. I kept it simple..a butt rinse,
dry, and a strong barrier cream. I would use Neosporin as needed...which was
rare. The Butt rinse was very helpful. I hope you will get the advice
needed..I will pray that Frodo's dizziness will improve this week and will be
able to get up. His exercise around the family room will help strengthen his
legs. Please keep us posted..
Love,
Roberta
On 12/11/2021 2:12 PM Brenda Bennett <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
How the heck do you guys do this ointment?
Can I put a bottom layer SDD or calendula gel on the skin and when dry put
Butt Paste on top? To seal out moisture?
Does the old layer have to come off first before you can apply new?
Because Butt Paste doesn’t come off unless it’s rubbed off. And I ain’t
rubbing his skin. Maybe we put a wee bit too much on last night, but he was
alone in his playpen with a diaper so there was no danger of ingestion and
excess mostly came off in diaper.
As far as the ointments I’m using:
1). I have a new ointment/gel with calendula in it, also castor oil and
glycerine and thyme, and a few other things. Made for pet sores. Is this
just for when he has a sore or all the time?
2). A&d ointment, but this doesn’t stay on to provide a pee barrier and it
gets all over his fur as he scoots around.
3). SDD silver sulfad… antibiotic cream from the vet. Vet said to use
twice a day. It doesn’t stay on 12 hours though, he rubs it off scooting
around, even if he has a diaper.
4). Boudreaux’s Butt Paste, with 16% zinc oxide. This stuff dries and then
stays on! But The vet doesn’t want me to use zinc oxide. But if I don’t
keep the skin protected from pee he will die. His bedding is dry, it’s not
a bedding problem I don’t think, he’s peeing onto himself . I just have to
be careful that the bonded mate can’t lick any of the zinc ointment off
when grooming Frodo. But he can’t groom Frodo’s sore left side, where the
ointment is, because Frodo always lays on it.
Katherine, Did you put anything over the calendula to be a barrier against
wetness? I think the calendula cream will just be rubbed off. And then
he’ll get pee in the irritated skin.
So I put SDD yesterday during the day and by night the area wasn’t red
anymore , so we Put Butt Paste on last night, but I don’t think it was
enough to heal the redness that was starting in that one spot because it
was red this morning after we cleaned him. But the rest of the skin that
had urine scald was looking really good and Normal. So we went back to SDD
on the red spots this morning and The new calendula- glycerin-castor
oil-herbal ointment (Veterinus Derma Gel) on the rest of the skin. Because
the gel is supposed to be naturally antibacterial and leave a protective
film and is non toxic and we put frodo with his bonded mate during the day.
I’m so discouraged, Frodo was pretty much normal skin until yesterday. This
is a losing battle, if I can’t soon get him to strengthen that back leg and
learn how to get up while dizzy, then there is no hope for him. His bedding
always feels dry to me, so I think he’s peeing onto himself and it gets
into the loose skin around his butt. He peed once like that in the last 3
days and it caused the redness to return. I try so hard to keep him dry. I
put him in litter box to pee several times a day. He doesn’t always pee and
vet won’t let me express bladder, she wants me to put him on his back and
flip him over quickly to startle him into peeing. But I’m not sure exactly
how to do that (I don’t actually get to see her so she can’t show me) and
he’s dizzy so I don’t think it would go well. If I’m not putting him in the
litter box to pee every hour, then I have to put a diaper on him and check
it after a few hours. But that diaper doesn’t necessarily keep the area
perfectly dry either. I guess because of the loose skin. And because he
scoots around and it pulls the diaper down. Im going out soon to get a
different size diaper and try to find a onesie to put over it. When I feel
him he’s not wet, but I can’t tell if he’s damp or I’m feeling the
ointment. So I get a piece of toilet paper and see if it comes out wet.
but it doesn’t take too much pee I guess to start an irritation.
I feel like I’m just making us all miserable by keeping Frodo alive. Please
pray he stops being dizzy this week or learns how to get up. He can walk
now almost all on his own if he’s set onto his feet and follows the wall on
his right side. But he still falls down and can’t get up.
-Brenda
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On Dec 10, 2021, at 8:34 PM, ^><^ <kreiser9@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Brenda
I used calendula ointment on my paraplegic bunny's butt that was getting
red even though she had plenty of cart time and I moved her constantly
around her padded 24sq ft area and kept her dry and her fur clipped.
It worked great and is all natural treatment for all kinds of skin issues
including diaper rash
I used the Hyland brand but there are several brands. This one also
includes aloe vera which is great for skin
https://www.amazon.com/Calendula-Treatment-Psoriasis-Reduction-Sensitive/dp/B00UVTNIMW/ref=mp_s_a_1_7_sspa?adgrpid=58804228471&gclid=CjwKCAiAksyNBhAPEiwAlDBeLCoNEwBYxWMVwBO2ZL1qxMLV2XdqcustRIsR8a9fYwJYWOa46_p1HxoCfZ8QAvD_BwE&hvadid=274690769706&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9030618&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=4783313139081932503&hvtargid=kwd-332912341675&hydadcr=7818_9886124&keywords=hyland%27s+calendula+ointment&qid=1639185802&sr=8-7-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExV0xETEZOV1hTRkJHJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwOTI0OTcxWktUNEExV09VWElSJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAzMjgzMDEzREc1RjVPUVA2RlUwJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfcGhvbmVfc2VhcmNoX210ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
Let me know if you try it and if it works as good as it did for my buns.
Katherine
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 6:18 PM Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Brenda, I asked my friend who rescues again about the butt paste. This is
what she said about it…
I’ve never had a problem using the Butt Paste. Cat uses it too with no
problems. The skin just has to be dry before applying. (Cat is a giant
rabbit rescue for years)
Then she said this,
“ I doubt the other bunny will pay any attention. She just needs to make
sure the BP is completely dry before putting them back together. Then
they’ll be fine. She should only apply a thin layer.”.
Make sure the butt paste is dry before you put Frodo with Balin,
Love, Janet
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:35 PM Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So sorry the A and D isn’t working Brenda, gosh it always worked here but
like I said my bunnies could still stand and didn’t lie in it during the
day, except for the hares and Micah but the vet bedding helped. I will ask
my friend about the butt paste now. As soon as she gets back to me I will
let you know, the butt paste only has 12 % zinc, not 40% like the other
diaper rash ointments. So I don’t think it will hurt, but I will still ask
her.
Love, Janet
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:09 AM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Has anyone else used zinc oxide on a rabbit that is in contact with other
rabbits? My husband is very worried about using Butt Paste, he is afraid
he’ll kill Balin, and so we have to choose between Balin and Frodo, which
one to save, which has to be Balin.
Frodo’s skin still was dark pink and scaly this morning, even after the
SDD before bed and diapers all night that he didn’t pee in because i woke
up in the night to put him in the litter box to pee. maybe the diaper
irritated the skin?? It was fine yesterday morning but medium pink last
night.
I gotta protect the skin with a barrier product since he has the ability to
pee on himself because of his loose skin and the way he lays. The vet said
only SDD every other day and cornstarch the in between days, but that won’t
work with Frodo. And I don’t like her comment that it’s just a matter of
time (as in soon) before he gets urine scald again that leads to sepsis and
euthanasia. So as long as Balin doesn’t eat the butt paste I can’t follow
the vets plan. Frodo and Balin can’t lick the areas that need the ointment,
since they are always under Frodo. I just don’t want Balin to lick the
blankets that might have residue from Frodo wriggling around on them. Not
that Balin is the type to lick or eat everything in sight. And we’re
probably talking a small bit of residue that would be in the blankets, as
long as we don’t use half a tube of butt paste at once. Anybody use zinc
oxide on bonded rabbits?
Oh and I forgot that the veterinus derma gel got delivered the other day
with a bunch of amazon items. Would that work better than a&d? Because the
a&d isn’t working.
-Brenda
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On Dec 10, 2021, at 1:54 AM, Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sounds good to me to use the Butt paste since Brenda, that’s what my
friend does also….especially since he isn’t mobile. Does he have a chance
of getting over his immobility? My Micah had no back feet, so it was a
dilemma too sometimes, the a and d worked though but I also used the
really good vet bedding I told you about so it didn’t stay web. But he he
didn’t lie on his side.
This is what my rescue friend said,
“ For rabbits like that, I always shave them and put Butt Paste (yellow
bottle) on their skin. Then, I keep them on vet bedding. I have used the
SS. But, not for this type of thing. It won’t protect the skin”.
Love to you and still praying for Frodo
Janet
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 9:52 PM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So I might have to switch to butt paste. He was only in a diaper part of
the day and the bedding was dry and he himself felt dry when I checked him
after he escaped his diaper. I even patted him with a Kleenex to see if it
got wet. The fur was dry the skin was dry. But at the bedtime ointment
and diaper application, I noticed some of the skin in the folded area near
his butt was dark pink. Maybe the skin is still sensitive and so a wee bit
of wee irritated it? Or maybe the pee is getting caught in the loose skin
of his back end, From where he’s lost weight over the years (he used to be
a piggie). I put him in the litter box several times a day to go pee, I’ve
got good bedding, he gets diapers for the night and half the day (if he
doesn’t wriggle out), and he’s got ointment twice a day….. arggg!! Dammit!
So frustrated. Am I the only one with a bunny that is partly immobile and
keeps peeing on himself? I don’t want him to get sores again.
-Brenda
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On Dec 9, 2021, at 10:18 PM, Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Aww, I love thar he did 3 laps Brenda, sounds like he’s doing great ans
also happy the Faux sheepskin and A and D is working for you, it sure
worked for us too.
Love Janet
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 6:39 PM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So Frodo went 3 laps around our finished basement, which is about
20’x20’ !!! I had a scarf around his middle in case he got wobbly, but
he only did a few times. And he hopped at a normal pace. He’s tuckered
out now but super proud of himself.
He still has dizziness and unsteady on his back rear foot. But I’m hoping
daily exercise like this will help. The trick is that He needs to follow
a wall on his right side. He gets disoriented when the wall is on his
left (with the open room to his right), and also when he runs out of
wall — he’ll start going in circles. But he seems to know where he is
around the room and has the route memorized probably from 9 years of
exploring this space. And he’s so happy he can walk on his own. Now to
get him to get up on his own. If we can strengthen that left rear foot I
think he’ll be able to.
Wondering if anyone has made open-topped tunnels for head tilt bunnies to
walk through as they relearn balance and orientation And relearn how to
walk.
And so far the a&d ointment, bedding of faux sheepskin with towels
underneath, and diapers have kept his skin in good shape after the urine
scald last week. His fur is getting a bit oily from the ointment. I have
some “waterless shampoo” for rabbits that i can put on it and then dry
and comb out and see if that does the trick.
The vet warned that he could suddenly get urine scald again and it can
quickly break down the skin and go septic. So we might not get as lucky
as we did this time. So I guess I need to feel him a few times a day for
any wetness and visually examine him daily?
Thanks for listening to all my babbling and for all your support. 💕
Luv,
Brenda and Frodo and Balin
--
Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
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Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
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Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
