Cheap indeed. It should go without saying, however, that it is total crap. Integrated graphics sharing the system RAM, integrated sound and nic, probably a TTX monitor. Lexmark *shudder* Also makes me wonder if any of it is refurbed. I can't even begin to guess how many MDG's I had come through the shop when I was still running one. That being said, I recently had to price out a number of machines for work using brand name components. The price floored me, it was so cheap! Here goes: AMD 1800+ Asus KT333 mobo 1x512MB DDR DIMM Maxtor 20GB ATi 32MB Vid 3Com NIC Integrated sound (who needs good sound on an office computer?) Samsung 17" monitor XP Pro (not home, like the MDG) KB, Mouse NO printer (networked, afterall) Roughly $1,500 + tax Egads. The eMac may come close, but it certainly isn't as well equipped. Joe McGuire aka tinfoil digital media rights and music news http://music.tinfoil.net computer news and support http://win95.tinfoil.net -----Original Message----- From: muglo-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:muglo-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric D. Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:03 PM To: muglo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [muglo] Cheap PCs I can see a pretty compelling argument for Winblows PCs in some conditions. I saw a MDG (reasonably well known Canadian clone maker) 2.4 GHz PIV, 256 MB no-name DDR RAM, 40 GB HD, 17" monitor (el cheapo), Lexmark scanner/copier/printer, NIC, router, Windows XP for $900 CDN all inclusive! You can't get a 1.5 GHz G4 Mac (roughly comparable speed-wise) for that price *anywhere* (or, at that speed, for that matter). Speed-wise Apple is on the losing end of the stick at the moment. Only with its dual-processors can it compete, and even then you pay an extreme premium. For raw CPU power I see absolutely no reason to buy Apple -- the only major draw Apple has is OS X. If Apple hadn't gone OS X we'd be in the same boat as Amiga users were in the early 90s and would have to (grudgingly) live in the Windows world! Eric. _________________________________________________ For information concerning the MUGLO List just click on http://muglo.on.ca/pages/members.html#Joinmuglo Don't forget to periodically check our web site at: http://muglo.on.ca/ _________________________________________________ For information concerning the MUGLO List just click on http://muglo.on.ca/pages/members.html#Joinmuglo Don't forget to periodically check our web site at: http://muglo.on.ca/