[mso] Re: OT Lisa
- From: "Greg Chapman" <greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:08:52 -0600
Okay, so here are the new headers. If this stuff bores you all, let me
know. I'm illustrating these things because, in the background, Outlook is
expected to sort it all out on its own and, well, obviously it's not as
concerned about some pieces of data as it is others. Time and Subject seem
to be its real concerns. Anyway, here're the headers for that last message
which we'll compare to the originals:
Received: from turing.freelists.org [206.53.239.180] by mail.neospire.net
with ESMTP
(SMTPD32-5.05) id A40117E70202; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:35:45 -0600
Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with
ESMTP
id 9D074390A8B; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:27:05 -0500 (EST)
Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list mso); Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:26:59 -0500
(EST)
X-Original-To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Delivered-To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Received: from smtp.neospire.net (smtp.neospire.net [66.111.111.26])
by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with
SMTP id 7705D390A61
for <mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:26:58 -0500 (EST)
Received: (qmail 6606 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2003 18:35:34 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO chappieslappie) (66.87.127.146)
by smtp with SMTP; 26 Oct 2003 18:35:34 -0000
From: "Greg Chapman" <greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [mso] Re: OT Lisa
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:30:18 -0600
Message-ID: <007001c39bef$38d5ca90$9700a8c0@chappieslappie>
In-Reply-To: <20031026182107.916D4643AE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Importance: Normal
X-archive-position: 996
X-UIDL: 10980
> In-Reply-To: <NFBBKANLILKKPHKLHBACOEABCMAA.1z@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Thread-Index: AcOb69M7jcwPofalTnaCSvd+wU1GjQAAeO7A
> X-archive-position: 990
> X-original-sender: linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Reply-To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> X-list: mso
> X-UIDL: 10973
Note the Global and then Thread Specific pieces of data in both header
sets. The global for the list appears to be found in the X-UIDL header and
the Specific Thread can be seen in the X-archive-position header field. I
don't see the Thread Index in my reply but I may again in any replies to
this message.
Also note a couple other tidbits of info. First note the message ID is
generated and passed along by the originating SMTP MTA (chappieslappie in
this case) and then watch how the RECEIVED FROM lines (bottom most to top
is the order of delivery) time stamps work. My laptop is configured for
the Central time zone and is currently -0500 behind GMT. My upstream ISP
sets there server to GMT directly, therefore it shows its offset at -0000.
Watch how the time zones and offset data are used so that merely tracking
precedence based on time and a common reference point can be achieved. In
all, this message took less than 10 seconds to deliver. And also note that
my system was 4.5 minutes slow but that my ISP's server is another 9
minutes slower. The server at freelists didn't change th original time
stamp at all (which is correct by the RFC's.
So, if the time sequence is off, start by correcting the time on your own
PC. Then send a piece of email to yourself and see what the time stamp in
the headers says. If it's off at the ISP's server, it will show up and
you'll have an indication of how it is that your messages are showing up
out of sync. That also explains why Turing.freelists.org is using eXtended
headers in order to track messages in a thread; it knows that the time
stamp is not to be trusted!!
Greg Chapman
http://www.mousetrax.com
"Counting in binary is as easy as 01, 10, 11!
With thinking this clear, is coding really a good idea?"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Chapman
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:30 PM
> To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [mso] Re: OT Lisa
>
>
> I know Linda is aware of all this since we've covered it
> before. But for
> general information:
>
> This issue with the time stamp has to do with the time stamps at two
> servers: turing.freelists.org and your POP3 server. The last
> stamp wins so
> I'd suggest that if your computer's time is correct then the issue is
> probably at your ISP's time server. Also, the [mso] header is
> applied at
> turing.freelists.org for all messages for this list. It does
> this simply
> by looking at which list the message is sent to and
> pre-pending that value
> to the subject line after confirming that such a list exists
> and that you
> are a member of it with posting privileges.
>
> Here are the pertinent headers for the message I'm replying
> to. When you
> get my message, this one, compare the similar header fields and the
> pattern will start to come alive. If you want to work on a
> custom solution
> of your own, it's in these message headers that you'll find the
> information you need for sorting. Unfortunately, most of the
> mail readers
> out there make getting to this sort of a content a bit nightmarish.
> Anyway, here's the header data. Let's watch it evolve!
>
> From: "Linda F. Johnson" <linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [mso] Re: OT Lisa
> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:21:43 -0500
> In-Reply-To: <NFBBKANLILKKPHKLHBACOEABCMAA.1z@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Thread-Index: AcOb69M7jcwPofalTnaCSvd+wU1GjQAAeO7A
> X-archive-position: 990
> X-original-sender: linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Reply-To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> X-list: mso
> X-UIDL: 10973
>
>
> Greg Chapman
> http://www.mousetrax.com
> "Counting in binary is as easy as 01, 10, 11!
> With thinking this clear, is coding really a good idea?"
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Linda F. Johnson
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:22 PM
> > To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [mso] Re: OT Lisa
> >
> >
> > Senders ID is in the SUBJECT? Not here it isn't...I see no
> > senders ID in
> > any subject lines I receive...all I see is [mso] and the
> subject...no
> > sender's ID so I have NO idea how you are getting that.
> >
> > And. PLEASE include SOME history when you post, otherwise
> > people who don't
> > save all messages may have NO clue what you are talking about.
> >
> >
> > Linda F. Johnson, M.A., MOS
> > Linda's Computer Stop
> > http://personal-computer-tutor.com
> > Free e-Books, Newsletter, and tutorials
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of Green
> > Sent:
> > Sunday, October 26, 2003 1:04 PM
> > To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [mso] Re: OT Lisa
> >
> > Hi Linda
> >
> > I tried that and ended up a bit confused because of local
> > time zones :-(
> >
> > Not to worry tough... It's not that big a deal. Could be
> > advantages though
> > in being able to refer to specific messages. Some process
> > must be happening
> > I think because the senders ID is in the subject and all of
> > the messages are
> > prepended with [mso].
> >
> > Regards
> > Lisa
> >
> >
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