Nigel, If I can add a couple of comments on the Sweet Pea design. 1) The boiler mounting at the firebox end is a pig to make. It's a "Z" shaped piece of metal that wouldn't go right for me. An alternative is to make one from a wedge shaped piece of hardwood. It's probably hard to see how a wedge replaces a "Z", but the top and bottom faces of the "Z" are not parallel and these become the faces of the wedge. This idea was suggested to me by one of the guys from our club. I tried (and failed) several times with the original design. 2) The piston is mounted onto the piston rod with a thread. I don't like using a thread for alignment in such a critical area. To my way of thinking the thread should be for fastening, and the alignment should come from the fit of a tapered or parallel section of the rod in the piston. Having said that, the Sweet Pea is a fine workhorse and great way for people to express their own individuality. Cheers, JohnP ----- Original Message ----- From: <NIGELBALL@xxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 8:15 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: [modeleng] Re: [modeleng] 3½ versus 5 Hi all This is the advice that i was given and have been working on my sweetpea for about 12 months, If you get the chance go to the sweetpea rally and talk to the owners, they all love it, I've also noticed that no two are the same, if you like to follow drawings as drawn then its a good start, if you like to add your own ideas then with a sweetpea you can do it. Also as is narrow gauge outline its a bit like building a 7 1/2" scale model. Regards Nigel Ball Leicester P.S. does anybody know when and where the next rally is?. In a message dated 26/09/2005 20:06:40 GMT Daylight Time, davebeaman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Hi Jem, I would go for a 5" loco, not to big but big enough to pull. A good first design, ok it's not a mainline loco, is a Sweet Pea. Many people have started out with Sweet Peas and many still have them. The castings are readily available from Blackgates, as are the drawings and advice. The Sweet Pea can be lifted easily by 2 people but I wouldn't advise trying to lift it on your own. It's all outside motion etc except an axle pump if you choose to fit one. All is easy access for maintenance and building, easy to fire, easy to drive and I have had mine pulling 4 adults, 5 kids and the driver, up a 1;90 bank, ok we didn't break any speed records but we got there. If you have the time, it is reckoned you can build a Pea in 12 months, such is the basic design and I have to admit, I won't be getting rid of mine. So there you go, all the advice from around the world. Let us know how you go, what your building etc. Dave. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.7/112 - Release Date: 26/09/2005 MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.