Carefull Jesse. I'm up and about. Not much happening in the workshop due to other commitments. John, I can't help it if you have a bad case of insomnia, but I am willing to bet that Terry is up now as it is almost 5AM in NSW. (2:PM here in W.Tenosee) Prolly has a few cows, chooks and "Drop Bars" to feed. Jesse in Tennessee where it has decided to snow some mo'. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.