Phil, I think I have the same problem. re-reading the last sentence of my email, it looks as if I am invoking assistance form an unusual quarter! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phill Smith" <steam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Smokebox Innards Sorry mate. For some completely stupid reason, unexplainable, I didn't read you whole email. Can I blame tiredness????? Cheers, Phill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "alanjstepney" <alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Smokebox Innards > Phil, > I DO have a copy. > However, it is old information and even Steels re-write didn't update much > of it. > > The work that Clif mentioned by the GWR, was by Sam Ell, and was based upon > work by Prof Goss of Pardua University. > That resulted in many improvements to UK loco's, and also showed that the > one big problem was that our loading gauge was too small, thus restricting > the area of chimney to below the ideal size. The answer as, of course, dual > or multiple chimneys-blastpipes. > > Since GWR times others have also worked on draughting, including Port, and > Wardale and, Jos Koopmans, among many others. > Prof Bill Hall did some work on it, and showed that provided the area of the > entry to the petticoat pipe is twice that of the chimney, a straight chimney > only loses some 15% of efficiency compared to a properly constructed > venturi. The entry acts as the convergent part, thus increasing the gas > velocity, and creating a partial vacuum.. > Of course, 15% can make the difference between a good and a mediocre > performance. > > Rather than calculate the size of the blast pipe orifice it is probably > easier to sue the software he designed and try out different sizes, whilst > checking the vacuum produced. > > As you say, the 1:3 and 1:6 angels are important, and I did mention this on > my previous email. > > alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > www.alanstepney.info > Model Engineering, Steam Engine, and Railway technical pages. > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.