Keith, You can pickle with citric acid obtainable from the DIY wine store. Just mix the crystals with water. Thats the easy bit, now for the hard one. the hobby is safe [in my opinion] although I do not have a certifaicate stating I'm competent to hold that opinion; neither have I had any training with regard to this subject. I think if the beurocrats have their way though you might get a hernia carrying all the paperwork round with you just to be able to even look at such a dangerous thing as a steam engine. Regards IDP "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Champagne in one hand - strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!" "Never drive faster than your gaurdian angel can fly" Priest & Sons Model Engineers http://www.kinvermes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/p1.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gmx22@xxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Accidents Thank you all for your help with my spinning question, yes it is harder than I thought as you all suggested. On the subject of accidents, I am building a simplex, never driven one, never lit a fire in one. yes I am new to this and would be glad of a training program of sorts. I can understand people that have been building / running locos for years been a little miffed at the thought of having to take a test but is it that dangerous?? Do boilers explode on a regular basis? I have just had a telling off for suggesting using brass for my inner dome, if i did the world would end or de railments happen tipping people off onto the floor. this is a topic close to you all by the amount of posts you are getting. Im alarmed do i need to join the dangerous sports society. Oh just a quick one anybody know where i can get pickling solution from in the uk? dont think reeves do it anymore, must be far to dangerous Keith MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 09/08/2006 MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.