Alan, Police checks (rather than clearance) is common sense in our current world= of paranoia and litigation! With regard to the other items=2E=2E=2E=2Ewould you be happy having a driv= er on your track who didn't know how to do any of those activities=2E Please don't blame the safety police for this (they get enough stick as it= is) all that is happening is that what was "informally" done in recent times is being formalised and thus has an audit trail=2E What's wrong wit= h that=3F Plymouth Miniature Steam had a regime similar to the old "steam days" wher= e potential drivers started by learning how to get steam up (they just got t= o driving a bit quicker than the old links!) they also had to "guard" as wel= l=2E I'm sorry Alan, but like a lot of people, you seem to be taking an extreme= view of what is simply good practice and common sense (and as a friend says, the problem is these days, it just isn't that common any more!) Regards Peter Original Message: ----------------- From: alan stepney alan@alanstepney=2Einfo Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 02:08:49 +0100 To: modeleng@freelists=2Eorg Subject: [modeleng] Re: Accidents Apart from a boiler certificate, many clubs now require police clearance o= f=20 each driver=2E My club, like some others, requries drivers to have gone through a driver=20= training programme, have the appropriate certificate, and carry a log book= =20 around for that=2E:- This year's training schedule will include: Learning to prepare a steam locomotive for use on the track Track safety and signals Cleaning and placing 'on-shed' a locomotive after use Driving and control of a 'diesel' Correct use of signals and official duties of station control and guard Driving with passengers The Driver training scheme is intended to prepare drivers for running=20 trains safely on public running days=2E Included in the training is a=20 log-book to be maintained by each trainee signifying hours spent driving o= n=20 any track with any locomotive=2E Then, for many events, there is the Risk Assesment to be prepared and=20 submitted beforehand, accident books, logs, etc etc=2E=2E=2E=2E I have probably missed some out, but that lot is enough to turn a hobby into=20 work=2E Alan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Barrie Purslow" <bpduo@gotadsl=2Eco=2Euk> And long may they continue to do so but I still don't see your point about= the "plethora of rules and regulations" involved in public running=2E I've= never come across them - what are they=3F Barrie=20 MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST=2E To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to,=20 modeleng-request@freelists=2Eorg with the word "unsubscribe" in the subjec= t line=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.