[mea] Re: estimating for Indexing
- From: "Jonah O'Neil" <jonah.oneil@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:48:35 -0500
I will, for sure.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it to the meeting tomorrow evening.
Another time - I'd like to put faces to names.
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:46 PM, <cheri.frazer@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:19 PM,
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> Ok, my InDesign guy said he hasn't done an index in ID, but he was game to
> try one; here's what he wrote:
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> "I did a quick one to see how it works. After the markers are in, it
> generates into a text box you can paste anywhere. If you add or remove
> content it's just a click of a button to regenerate."
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> We use Adobe CS3 here, if that helps.
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> Hmmmm... my client is working in InDesign, and I am making draft
> corrections directly to the InDesign files. I don't know that he's using
> Word at all. Shoot, I don't know how I'm going to do this, or get any sort
> of automatic page number updating as he adds or removes text.
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> Yes, I think I would prefer all lower case except for proper nouns, too.
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> Oh, oh - what's happening tomorrow? I'm out of the loop.
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> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 9:27 AM,
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> Yep, been there!
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> Word and FrameMaker are content authoring tools that have indexing features
> built-in. Macrex and Cindex are programs used just for indexing (I think
> Macrex is for Macs and Cindex is for PCs, but I could be wrong). The Office
> 2004 version of Word has a very friendly indexing feature, but you have to
> get used to seeing the ugly codes when Show/Hide is turned on. Also, the
> author will have to get used to the way the text expands and contracts as
> they turn Show/Hide on and off. (Show/Hide is the paragraph marker symbol in
> the toolbar for those who don't know. It shows all hidden marks in your
> text, such as spaces, paragraph marks, index codes, etc.) It's much better
> to use the automated indexing feature because the page numbers will update
> automatically as the au. adds or removes text. Same thing with the TOC.
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> Editing an index is an interesting exercise as well. I prefer it when all
> terms are lowercase except for proper nouns, which is something I didn't
> realize until after I tried my first index in Word. That was an irritating
> do-over, lemme tell ya. At least in Word you can click the page number to
> check that it works; when editing a paper index you have to flip through
> pages manually. Oh, the horror.
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> Wikipedia does a decent job of summarizing indexing issues: *
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_(publishing)*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_%28publishing%29>.
> And Carrie is certainly right about padding your estimate! You can always
> practice on some random Word doc to see how you do. I have a few ugly old
> drafts of manuals I can send you if you like. They're unedited and written
> by engineers, so you'd have to brace yourself. Let me know.
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> See you tomorrow?
> -Cheri
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> Hi Cheri,
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> Whoa, boy, now I must declare my ignorance. I was not aware of programs
> like FrameMaker, Macrex, or Cindex. And I did not know that MS Word had an
> index feature.
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> I was going to make an index manually. But now I will look into Word's
> index feature. Rather, I use a Mac, so maybe I'll look into Pages' index
> feature, if it has one. (I do not own Pages. I have Microsoft Office 2004
> for Mac, but it's not a great program.)
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> Nor have I looked into any particular method - Mulvaney's, Chicago's, or
> otherwise.
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> There's an Indexing Society of Canada??
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> Okay, time to do some homework.
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> My client needs a quote on the overall project soon, so what I think I'll
> do is quote separately for the indexing, after I've done more research.
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> Thanks so much, Cheri!
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> -Jonah
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> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:31 AM,
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> Hi, Jonah:
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> I see your question and raise you a few more:
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> -What tool are you working in to make the index? MS Word, FrameMaker, an
> Indexing program (such as Macrex or Cindex)... ?
> -If MS Word or Frame, etc., will you use the tool's index feature or make
> an index manually?
> -What method of indexing are you using? I've used Nancy Mulvaney's and
> Chicago's, which are slightly different from each other. I liked Mulvaney's
> but haven't checked out her updated version yet.
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> Here are some resources if that helps any: *
> http://www.indexers.ca/resources.html*<http://www.indexers.ca/resources.html>.
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> It took me about 2 hours to index a 100-page user manual last time I did
> one in MS Word, plus an hour of testing and troubleshooting. But I'm not an
> experienced indexer, so there may have been an easier way.
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> -Cheri
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> Hello,
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> A few weeks ago I posted a question regarding quoting for editorial work,
> and received some excellent responses - so thank you very much for that!
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> My new questions is about Indexing. I have never created an index for a
> client, although I grasp the general concept.
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> How would one estimate the amount of time creating an index will take? And
> what kinds of questions should I ask the client to help me estimate the
> amount of time it will take to do the indexing?
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> Cheers,
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