There are 12 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. My Dear Helpful Computer Friends From: "Vivian McGraw" <journeyone@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 2. Re: Adding a Second Hard Disk From: "Paul Ross" <przxto99@xxxxxxxxx> 3. If they are old floppies From: "journeyone" <journeyone@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 4. Re: Adding a Second Hard Disk From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> 5. Re: If they are old floppies From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> 6. Re: Re: Windows\System32 Programs question - Thank yous From: AlohaBev <alohabev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 7. Re: New Memory Stumped From: "Vince" <timechaser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 8. Re: Re: New Memory Stumped From: "Dennis Jenkins" <maillist_1@xxxxxxxxxxx> 9. Re: Re: New Memory Stumped From: foofaraw in the middle <foofaraw_in_the_middle@xxxxxxxxx> 10. Mozilla "IFRAME" JavaScript URL Cross-Site Scripting From: foofaraw in the middle <foofaraw_in_the_middle@xxxxxxxxx> 11. Medium Risk Virus Alert: Mydoom.BQ From: foofaraw in the middle <foofaraw_in_the_middle@xxxxxxxxx> 12. Re: Having problems playing games with pogo and yahoo From: MURRAY WHITE <phymur@xxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:23:01 -0000 From: "Vivian McGraw" <journeyone@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: My Dear Helpful Computer Friends I guess you see I've not been as active as I was..Since the weather is warming up here in NJ, for the next couple months I'll be in and out in my motor home..I'll still be on line but the speed of my laptop via cell phone is horrendously slow 14.2 KB..takes forever to d/l mail..so I have to go on Digest for the summer... I'm on several RVing lists besides My Computer Headaches and I need to keep up with them now if I'm to meet any of them in person at nearby GT's. Know I read all the posts...!!! Hugs Always Viv... Below is the URL where Updates on myTrip Cross Country can be found..Join.... http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/JourneyOne/ Enjoy and ..Come Fly With Me... 37' 98 Chevy 5350 Dolphin 97 Chevy Auto. Conv. Toad Home in Brick, NJ for the time being. Leaving on Virgin Voyage for Ca. on Oct.. 4, 2005... Look for "Journey One" on all 4 sides of my coach...and the.."COPD Awareness".. Message on the back ...Approach me anywhere..enroute... My Pages http://community.webshots.com/user/journey144 http://www.geocities.com/vivian_mcgraw/index.html http://www.roadandtravel.com/adventuretravel/rvingforwomen.htm Scroll down to...'Beyond the call of duty' ......for this little story about me.... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 13:09:40 -0000 From: "Paul Ross" <przxto99@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Adding a Second Hard Disk It looks like you read my mind and addressed the other concern that came up earlier today when I was told that there is a limited number of times that one can re-install XP before being required to re- activate. I haven't kept count, but I re-installed XP 4 times in the last 10 days or so, and my total re-installs during the last three years is probably up to 6 or 7! Thanks for the info on backing up those two files to floppies. I should be re-installing either today or tomorrow, and will report back with the results. If I can get back online, of course! Paul =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --- In mycomputerheadaches@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Seantific <spunkovision@xxxx> wrote: > As far as the installation is concerned, I don't think you will have a problem if you are worried about having to call MS again to have it re-activated. > All you have to back up are two little files. Go to your C:\WINDOWS\System32\ and find a file called "wpa.dbl" and "wpa.bak" & back those files up to a floppy, CD or whatever you want to put it on. After you install XP, go into safe mode and put them into your windows\system32 directory. When you reboot you should be activated without actually going through MS. > > Do you have other concerns? > > > Paul Ross <przxto99@xxxx> wrote: > That's exactly what I am saying, except that I will wipe both drives clean and only put XP on the added smaller HD. Since that HD will be my boot disc, I presume it will be the master and the 40 GB HD will be the slave. Not positive about that but I'll find out soon enough. > I realize that I will no doubt have a problem with the install as MS will think I am installing to a second PC, however, there is surely some way to do this as this is my legal copy of XP which I will be using on ONLY one PC! >= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:03:47 -0400 From: "journeyone" <journeyone@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: If they are old floppies Hi Sean, OLD FLOPPIES...can 1998 be considered old..??...Not in my book...I have pictures taken a hundred years ago that I can still look at in my albums from film cameras..that only cost a few paultry dollars..compared to what we spend to day...it's unbelievable ...but as long as we keep buying .....they'll keep changing....it's pitiful... I spent over 3,000.00 on a new XP Dell 4600 Computer specially customized besides, and what does it do for me...takes away more than it gives me...makes me start over !!! I detest it all...I'm fed up with trying to keep up and constatntly losing in the process.. The past 7 years since my husband passed away I've spent over 15,000 on computer equipment.. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The day they make my digital photo's taken with the Sony FD-71 and FD-75 Cameras...obsolete is the day I quit computing ...Yes I bought two of those cameras, to make sure I'd have a working one for a long time to come in case they stopped making them, and parts for them, and they SURE HAVE... They've already stopped including Floppy Drives unless we order THEM specially, which I had to do ...!!! I am so disgusted with the greed...They know already what's coming out next to bleed us for more...I'll be 80 yrs old on May 15th...and I can't handle anymore... I know I'm not alone...several of my closest friends have about had it too... Please post this Sean...it needs to be said... Hugs Always Viv... If they are old floppies,containing old programs, chances are those programs won't work in XP. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:48:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Adding a Second Hard Disk The issue of inadequate diskspace for XP of course still remains. Whatever will you do with all your Windows updates, Documents and Settings, personal files like emails, and other parts of programs you are to install (you know that they will add files to your system drive and you have no control over that). You may also want to relocate your paging file to the bigger and faster drive. Paul Ross <przxto99@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: It looks like you read my mind and addressed the other concern that came up earlier today when I was told that there is a limited number of times that one can re-install XP before being required to re-activate. I haven't kept count, but I re-installed XP 4 times in the last 10 days or so, and my total re-installs during the last three years is probably up to 6 or 7! Thanks for the info on backing up those two files to floppies. I should be re-installing either today or tomorrow, and will report back with the results. If I can get back online, of course! Paul =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --- In mycomputerheadaches@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Seantific <spunkovision@xxxx> wrote: As far as the installation is concerned, I don't think you will have a problem if you are worried about having to call MS again to have it re-activated. All you have to back up are two little files. Go to your C:\WINDOWS\System32\ and find a file called "wpa.dbl" and "wpa.bak" & back those files up to a floppy, CD or whatever you want to put it on. After you install XP, go into safe mode and put them into your windows\system32 directory. When you reboot you should be activated without actually going through MS. Any intrusive unwanted visitors on your PC? http://grc.com/optout.htm http://www.cexx.org/ GO NAPSTER 1 MILLION songs. Military discount. $14.95 a month. Dump iTune$. MCH - http://shorterlink.com/?PBFUJ5 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: If they are old floppies I understand where you are coming from, Viv. Regarding your old floppies, the issue is not their age but their contents. Since you do not know what's in them and one of them already caused your computer to go bad, I was just suggesting that you do not try to open them since doing so might damage your system which may be a much bigger grief than erasing and formatting those floppies. journeyone <journeyone@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hi Sean, OLD FLOPPIES...can 1998 be considered old..??...Not in my book...I have pictures taken a hundred years ago that I can still look at in my albums from film cameras..that only cost a few paultry dollars..compared to what we spend to day...it's unbelievable ...but as long as we keep buying .....they'll keep changing....it's pitiful... I spent over 3,000.00 on a new XP Dell 4600 Computer specially customized besides, and what does it do for me...takes away more than it gives me...makes me start over !!! I detest it all...I'm fed up with trying to keep up and constatntly losing in the process.. The past 7 years since my husband passed away I've spent over 15,000 on computer equipment.. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The day they make my digital photo's taken with the Sony FD-71 and FD-75 Cameras...obsolete is the day I quit computing ...Yes I bought two of those cameras, to make sure I'd have a working one for a long time to come in case they stopped making them, and parts for them, and they SURE HAVE... They've already stopped including Floppy Drives unless we order THEM specially, which I had to do ...!!! I am so disgusted with the greed...They know already what's coming out next to bleed us for more...I'll be 80 yrs old on May 15th...and I can't handle anymore... I know I'm not alone...several of my closest friends have about had it too... Please post this Sean...it needs to be said... Hugs Always Viv... If they are old floppies,containing old programs, chances are those programs won't work in XP. Any intrusive unwanted visitors on your PC? http://grc.com/optout.htm http://www.cexx.org/ GO NAPSTER 1 MILLION songs. Military discount. $14.95 a month. Dump iTune$. MCH - http://shorterlink.com/?PBFUJ5 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:37:07 -0500 From: AlohaBev <alohabev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Re: Windows\System32 Programs question - Thank yous Thank you, Rich, for the Google suggestions, and thank you, Sparky, for helping me privately. I guess switching from Win98 to WinXP (along with all the other upgrades/updates required) plus trying to network a laptop and a desktop has just been somewhat overwhelming, and I just couldn't find= the info I needed and could understand. I think maybe I'm "seeing the light at the end of the tunnel" now, so I'm keeping at it. :) Aloha, Bev in Alabama, USA :) <alohabev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 5/9/2005 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:37:22 -0000 From: "Vince" <timechaser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: New Memory Stumped Ok did some final testing here. Returned the first memory. Confirmed with Dell about the processor. It is running at 7.5 x 133. The first memory memory we tried as you recall had a problem giving registry errors when installed with the original memory. When installed alone windows would not boot. Now the new chip I purchased will not run at all when installed alone I just get muitipal bios beeps. If installed with the original memory the computer works fine but the second chip is not recognized. Dell also confirmed that there would be no issues if the chips did have different density. I am now lost. I may just have to leave my friend with 128mb or send him to a shop that will just put chips in until we find one that will work. Vince --- In mycomputerheadaches@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "T. Hunt" <ilrover@xxxx> wrote: > I believe that the CPU runs at 10 x 100FSB (although it could be running > at 7.5 x 133), so the memory is running at 100MHz rather than 133MHz. > Most PC133 memory will operate this way but some won't. Sounds like you > got the kind that won't. > > Or you may have to go into the BIOS and change the FSB settings. You'll > need to check with Intel to see how that CPU is supposed to be set. > > A couple years ago, I ran into some memory put out by Kingston. It was > labeled PC133 and the boob at OfficeMax assured me it would run on a > system that took PC100. (BTW, the real boob at OfficeMax was me for > believing what the store clerk told me.) As it turned out, Kingston > even had a warning on their website that the memory in question may not > work in all systems at 100MHz. I've since stayed with Crucial with no > problems whatsoever and never looked back. > > Another thing may be differing CAS latency. Memory with a latency of 2 > is faster than memory with a latency of 3. In a system, when multiple > memory modules are installed, the motherboard usually times memory > access using the parameters contained in the SPD chip on the first > module, the module in the No.1 DIMM slot. If that module has a latency > of 2 and the second one a latency of 3, the system will be trying to > access the second module faster than it can handle things. So try > swapping the modules around, putting the newer one in the first slot and > the original in the second slot. > > If the 128MB memory was the original from Dell, then either the 128 or > 256MB sticks from Crucial will work. 256 part #'s are CT 268933/34 > ($67); 128 part #'s are CT268931/32 ($37) > > Tom ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:17:04 -0500 From: "Dennis Jenkins" <maillist_1@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Re: New Memory Stumped I had some of those old motherboards that became quite picky about ram when they were ready to fail. Even memory that had worked fine in them before. Just thought you should hear that.<G> Dennis Jenkins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince" <timechaser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <mycomputerheadaches@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: [MCH] Re: New Memory Stumped > Ok did some final testing here. Returned the first memory. Confirmed > with Dell about the processor. It is running at 7.5 x 133. The first > memory memory we tried as you recall had a problem giving registry > errors when installed with the original memory. When installed alone > windows would not boot. > > Now the new chip I purchased will not run at all when installed alone > I just get muitipal bios beeps. If installed with the original memory > the computer works fine but the second chip is not recognized. > > Dell also confirmed that there would be no issues if the chips did > have different density. > > I am now lost. I may just have to leave my friend with 128mb or send > him to a shop that will just put chips in until we find one that will > work. > > Vince > > --- In mycomputerheadaches@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "T. Hunt" <ilrover@xxxx> > wrote: > > I believe that the CPU runs at 10 x 100FSB (although it could be > running > > at 7.5 x 133), so the memory is running at 100MHz rather than > 133MHz. > > Most PC133 memory will operate this way but some won't. Sounds > like you > > got the kind that won't. > > > > Or you may have to go into the BIOS and change the FSB settings. > You'll > > need to check with Intel to see how that CPU is supposed to be set. > > > > A couple years ago, I ran into some memory put out by Kingston. It > was > > labeled PC133 and the boob at OfficeMax assured me it would run on > a > > system that took PC100. (BTW, the real boob at OfficeMax was me for > > believing what the store clerk told me.) As it turned out, > Kingston > > even had a warning on their website that the memory in question may > not > > work in all systems at 100MHz. I've since stayed with Crucial with > no > > problems whatsoever and never looked back. > > > > Another thing may be differing CAS latency. Memory with a latency > of 2 > > is faster than memory with a latency of 3. In a system, when > multiple > > memory modules are installed, the motherboard usually times memory > > access using the parameters contained in the SPD chip on the first > > module, the module in the No.1 DIMM slot. If that module has a > latency > > of 2 and the second one a latency of 3, the system will be trying > to > > access the second module faster than it can handle things. So try > > swapping the modules around, putting the newer one in the first > slot and > > the original in the second slot. > > > > If the 128MB memory was the original from Dell, then either the 128 > or > > 256MB sticks from Crucial will work. 256 part #'s are CT 268933/34 > > ($67); 128 part #'s are CT268931/32 ($37) > > > > Tom ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 20:30:23 -0700 (PDT) From: foofaraw in the middle <foofaraw_in_the_middle@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Re: New Memory Stumped Did you refer to the motherboard manual to see what type/brand of memory the mobo manufacturer recommends or what the mobo requires? Vince <timechaser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Ok did some final testing here. Returned the first memory. Confirmed with Dell about the processor. It is running at 7.5 x 133. The first memory memory we tried as you recall had a problem giving registry errors when installed with the original memory. When installed alone windows would not boot. Now the new chip I purchased will not run at all when installed alone I just get multiple bios beeps. If installed with the original memory the computer works fine but the second chip is not recognized. Dell also confirmed that there would be no issues if the chips did have different density. I am now lost. I may just have to leave my friend with 128mb or send him to a shop that will just put chips in until we find one that will work. Vince --- In mycomputerheadaches@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "T. Hunt" <ilrover@xxxx> wrote: I believe that the CPU runs at 10 x 100FSB (although it could be running at 7.5 x 133), so the memory is running at 100MHz rather than 133MHz. Most PC133 memory will operate this way but some won't. Sounds like you got the kind that won't. Or you may have to go into the BIOS and change the FSB settings. You'll need to check with Intel to see how that CPU is supposed to be set. A couple years ago, I ran into some memory put out by Kingston. It was labeled PC133 and the boob at OfficeMax assured me it would run on a system that took PC100. (BTW, the real boob at OfficeMax was me for believing what the store clerk told me.) As it turned out, Kingston even had a warning on their website that the memory in question may not work in all systems at 100MHz. I've since stayed with Crucial with no problems whatsoever and never looked back. Another thing may be differing CAS latency. Memory with a latency of 2 is faster than memory with a latency of 3. In a system, when multiple memory modules are installed, the motherboard usually times memory access using the parameters contained in the SPD chip on the first module, the module in the No.1 DIMM slot. If that module has a latency of 2 and the second one a latency of 3, the system will be trying to access the second module faster than it can handle things. So try swapping the modules around, putting the newer one in the first slot and the original in the second slot. If the 128MB memory was the original from Dell, then either the 128 or 256MB sticks from Crucial will work. 256 part #'s are CT 268933/34 ($67); 128 part #'s are CT268931/32 ($37) Tom My Computer Headaches .... celebrating its 3rd Year Anniversary. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mycomputerheadaches/ Members: 649 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 02:49:37 -0400 (EDT) From: MURRAY WHITE <phymur@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Having problems playing games with pogo and yahoo Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Before installing the Java version found in the link suggested by Murray, I would suggest to you to go first to your Add/Remove Programs in Control Panel and remove all the other Java versions that you have there. Then install the new version. The reason for that is the older Java software are vulnerable to several exploits. Will agree with you there Sean. I did remove them post install but better to do before. Unfortunately, I forgot the link where I downloaded the program from. When I d/l I prepare a separate folder named with the program and its version # and then after receiving the d/l, I drag the link into the folder and after the install is done, I then drag that folder into My Installed Folder and all of this is in My Downloads in My Documents. Also, sometimes if you open a program, in the Help>about, there is a website link (not always though) see the Yahoo home page http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mycomputerheadaches/ See the self help page here //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/webpage?webpage_id=mch