There are 13 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware! From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> 2. Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware! From: Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx> 3. Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware! From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> 4. Re: any ideas Memtest86 From: Rakesh Tewary <rtewary@xxxxxxxxx> 5. Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware! From: Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx> 6. Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware! From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> 7. Re: any ideas Memtest86 From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> 8. Re: mozilla Thunderbird From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> 9. Google in German? From: "Paul Ross" <przxto99@xxxxxxxxx> 10. Broadcast Flag Rule Struck Down From: K-lang <cade00000@xxxxxxxxx> 11. Re: Google in German? From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> 12. Re: Having problems playing games with pogo and yahoo From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> 13. Re: Re: Format Problem - SOLVED! From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:25:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware! Google Web Accelerator http://webaccelerator.google.com/support.html This new product from Google is causing quite a stir in the news because of several problems it is causing and due to some privacy concerns. I would stay away from it but you can make up your own mind. It seems from what I've read so far, everyone will be affected by this specially if your online friends and acquaintances are using this new software. The links, and your emails that your friends clicked will be stored in Google servers if they have this software installed. This will have an spider web-like effect that will span the whole internet. Chilling, if I am right. Read on to learn more. The Google Web Accelerator is a free download for both Firefox and IE that helps load websites faster for broadband Windows users. According to their information page the software uses Google servers as a proxy for web content, delivering the pages to your system more rapidly & pre-compressing them. Sounds good, right? This article might give you second thoughts: Think Before You Worship http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3D2858 The author of the article wrote: There's a hardcore group of folks on the Internet who assume Google can do no wrong. To their credit, Google has spent years and millions upon millions of dollars cultivating this image, so I can understand where it comes from..."Well gee, Google offers all these services which don't cost me a thing, therefore they've got to be an unquestionable, infallible entity in my book!" the greasy nerd with 10-pound glasses exclaims while typing "MICROSOFT SUCKS" into his Google search bar. "Clearly this company only produces things for the good of all humanity! They aren't concerned with trivial things such as making money, dominating the marketplace, or boosting their stock prices!" This type of idiotic, blind fanboy mentality has led to where we are today: the Google Web Accelerator...So what does this incredible free new service accomplish? Google claims it magically speeds up your Internet connection, and for the average user, it does. This is done by caching entire websites on Google's servers, passing copies of any page a user visits and sending them to Google HQ. Basically they're just creating carbon copies of everything you read, every site you visit, every image you load, and storing them on their servers, under the idea that you will have a faster connection to their servers than you would to whatever website you're visiting. Well here's the problem, folks: everything you view is now owned by Google. Do you read email? Well now Google reads your email, and now the entire world can read your email. Do you use private messages through a website? Well they aren't private any more; now anybody using Google's Web Accelerator can read them: http://img188.echo.cx/my.php?image=3Dgooooogle4au.png Every single page you read, every single website you visit, every single cookie you use, every single thing you do on the Internet is now owned by Google and is viewable to anybody using their program. I hope you're completely comfortable with the entire world being able to see every single webpage you read and every single website you visit, because thanks to Google, it's now happening. Check out their privacy policy if you don't believe me: http://webaccelerator.google.com/privacy.html I'm having to pay a coder just to figure out how to prevent Google from caching all the webpages on our forums. Why is this a problem? Well first of all, it's a giant security hole, as private forums for mods and admins can now be viewed by anybody: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=3D&threadid=3D1550469 Thanks Google, thank you very much for sharing our sensitive information with the entire Internet, without even giving warning or notice to any parties involved! Secondly, our forums offer a private messaging feature, where users can send messages to each other which can only be read by them...If you're using Google's Web Accelerator - guess what? - now anybody can read your private messages! Cookies, logins, sensitive information, private messages - they're all stored on Google's servers now, and they're all available for anybody on the Internet to read. So how can a company like Google get away with this? If Microsoft had released something similar, you can damn well be sure millions of angry, greasy Lunix zealots would be carrying torches and pitchforks to Bill Gates' house. The reason Google can so brazenly trample over the entire Internet is because people let them. They spent so long carefully crafting their pristine Internet image and reputation that all their actions are now seen as faultless, for the good of all humanity. Google surely wouldn't do anything bad or evil! After all, their company's motto says so! You know, that company motto they paid a legal and creative team to come up with. For the company that makes millions upon millions of dollars. For a business fueled by capitalism, just like every other corporation in the history of the universe. Making money isn't bad. The pursuit of money isn't bad. Money isn't bad. Failing to question companies that prey on you is bad. Google doesn't care about you or me or the Internet as a whole, unless one or all of these things can somehow make them another dollar...Microsoft receives strict scrutiny for every move they make, which is a damn good thing because it keeps their company in check. Google doesn't, and this is what led to the release of their Web Accelerator program. Bending over to worship at the feet of a company just gives them a better chance to step on your back and boost themselves higher. Google is just another Microsoft without the bad reputation. [unquote] Enough said? What do you all think? Moreover....the following technical problems are being caused linked to this Web Accelerator. These articles will tell you why: Google Web Accelerator: Hey, not so fast - an alert for web app designers http://tinyurl.com/7chxc Quote: The accelerator scours a page and prefetches the content behind each link. This gives the illusion of pages loading faster (since they=92ve already been pre-loaded behind the scenes). Here=92s the problem: Google is essentially clicking every link on the page =97 including links like= "delete this" or "cancel that." And to make matters worse, Google ignores the Javascript confirmations. So, if you have a "Are you sure you want to delete this?" Javascript confirmation behind that "delete" link, Google ignores it and performs the action anyway. [unquote] Web Accelerator Can Delete Your Account? http://tinyurl.com/aep5q Quote: Jason Fried purports that Google Web Accelerator is, because of prefetching, actually clicking on links like "Delete my account" or "Cancel" in webforms. [unquote] Anyone up for downloading Google's new Web Accelerator today? Any intrusive unwanted visitors on your PC? http://grc.com/optout.htm http://www.cexx.org/ GO NAPSTER 1 MILLION songs. Military discount. $14.95 a month. Dump iTune$. MCH - http://shorterlink.com/?PBFUJ5 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:36:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware! I am NOT a greasy Lunix zealot! Steve NH __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:58:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware! Oh ok. Thanks for sharing that with us. I think the point of the article was not to point out that Lunix fans are all zealots or greasy but to just say that there is that segment of Lunix users who are, as there are greasy zealots Windows users too. I don't know about Mac users being greasy since they carry fat wallets and are mostly sophisticated but there are Mac zealots too. :) But that was not the main point of the articles Foo posted in SMB where I copied what I posted here from. Anyway, I didn't think you are a greasy Lunix zealot anyway..hehe. Just putting that on record. And by the way, that was a quote from the main article featured in Foo's article and should not be attributed to Foo nor to me. I hope this does not eclipse the main message of the article. Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I am NOT a greasy Lunix zealot! Steve NH Any intrusive unwanted visitors on your PC? http://grc.com/optout.htm http://www.cexx.org/ GO NAPSTER 1 MILLION songs. Military discount. $14.95 a month. Dump iTune$. MCH - http://shorterlink.com/?PBFUJ5 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 21:23:23 +0530 From: Rakesh Tewary <rtewary@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: any ideas Memtest86 Hello Mike, > Hi Folks, > Memtest86 is one of those utilities we should all save to a floppy disk. > > Book marking helpful utilities is ok if you have another computer to > access your bookmarks on. > But if your computer won't boot you need the utilities on a floppy to > try to diagnose the problems. > > I had problems setting up my Linux box and went through over 100 > utilities on floppy disks. > > Mike ~ one of the Moderators > It is a good day if I learned something new. > Editor MikesWhatsNews http://www.mwn.ca/ I downloaded the Memtest86 and moved the zipped file to a floppy where its description is memt32? When I read the Readme.txt it says that the Installation is for Linux Only? Have I messed up - as usual?! :-) I am using WinXP Pro, P4 2.0 with 512MB RAM. If not, do I just run the .exe file from the floppy to test my RAM? Many thanks in advance. Warm regards, Ricky. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:14:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware! Just fooling, Spunk. Seriously, though, I wouldn't touch that web accelerator with a 10-foot mouse. Steve NH ---------------------------------------------------- --- Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Oh ok. Thanks for sharing that with us. I think the > point of the article was not to point out that Lunix > fans are all zealots or greasy but to just say that > there is that segment of Lunix users who are, as > there are greasy zealots Windows users too. I don't > know about Mac users being greasy since they carry > fat wallets and are mostly sophisticated but there > are Mac zealots too. :) But that was not the main > point of the articles Foo posted in SMB where I > copied what I posted here from. Anyway, I didn't > think you are a greasy Lunix zealot anyway..hehe. > Just putting that on record. And by the way, that > was a quote from the main article featured in Foo's > article and should not be attributed to Foo nor to > me. I hope this does not eclipse the main message of > the article. > > > > Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I am NOT a greasy Lunix zealot! > > Steve > NH > > > > Any intrusive unwanted visitors on your PC? > http://grc.com/optout.htm > http://www.cexx.org/ > GO NAPSTER > 1 MILLION songs. Military discount. $14.95 a month. > Dump iTune$. > MCH - http://shorterlink.com/?PBFUJ5 > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your > mobile phone. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:31:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware! Me neither..but you know this thing can spread then our friends will download them and then when they read our emails, that too will be archived by Google for everyone to see. *sigh* Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Just fooling, Spunk. Seriously, though, I wouldn't touch that web accelerator with a 10-foot mouse. Steve NH ---------------------------------------------------- Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: :) Oh ok. Thanks for sharing that with us. I think the point of the article was not to point out that Lunix fans are all zealots or greasy but to just say that there is that segment of Lunix users who are, as there are greasy zealots Windows users too. I don't know about Mac users being greasy since they carry fat wallets and are mostly sophisticated but there are Mac zealots too. :) But that was not the main point of the articles Foo posted in SMB where I copied what I posted here from. Anyway, I didn't think you are a greasy Lunix zealot anyway..hehe. Just putting that on record. And by the way, that was a quote from the main article featured in Foo's article and should not be attributed to Foo nor to me. I hope this does not eclipse the main message of the article. Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I am NOT a greasy Lunix zealot! Steve NH Any intrusive unwanted visitors on your PC? http://grc.com/optout.htm http://www.cexx.org/ GO NAPSTER 1 MILLION songs. Military discount. $14.95 a month. Dump iTune$. MCH - http://shorterlink.com/?PBFUJ5 --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:08:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: any ideas Memtest86 There are two versions available at the site: One for Windows and DOS One for Linux Rakesh Tewary <rtewary@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I downloaded the Memtest86 and moved the zipped file to a floppy where its description is memt32? When I read the Readme.txt it says that the Installation is for Linux Only? Have I messed up - as usual?! :-) I am using WinXP Pro, P4 2.0 with 512MB RAM. If not, do I just run the .exe file from the floppy to test my RAM? Many thanks in advance. Warm regards, Ricky. Any intrusive unwanted visitors on your PC? http://grc.com/optout.htm http://www.cexx.org/ GO NAPSTER 1 MILLION songs. Military discount. $14.95 a month. Dump iTune$. MCH - http://shorterlink.com/?PBFUJ5 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 23:10:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: mozilla Thunderbird I'm far from being an expert on Thunderbird so I am probably the last person who should be responding to you about what you are asking. However, this what little I know: You asked: Is there a way of Mozilla Thunderbird to DELETE messages from the server - BEFORE downloading the remaining ones based on filters? My response: Not easily. There are tools like Mailwasher which download stuff and pre-filter before letting the mail client have a shot, but you still spend just as much time dealing with it. Spamihilator I think does the same: http://www.spamihilator.com/ Mailwasher supports Firefox or just about anything. It just runs before the mail client, downloads all the headers, deletes stuff you tell it to, then launches the mail client to download the rest. But I'm not sure if Mailwasher still has a free version. http://www.mailwasher.net/ The Last Freeware Version is here though: http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/page2.html#Mailwasher Let me know if this version is really still free AND works for your Windows version. Are you using XP? The 16 Best-Ever Freeware Utilities voted Mailwasher as The Best Free Spam Filter for the Average User and also recommends a similar utility called XTerminator. Read the original article below: Best Free Spam Filter for the Average User From: http://www.techsupportalert.com/best_16_free_utilities.htm Mailwasher is for most folk, the easiest way of free option for dealing with Spam. It's an email preview utility that allows you to check your email on your mail server before you download it to your PC. The advantage of this approach is that you can kill unwanted messages including spam, viruses and large attachments before they get anywhere near your computer. Mailwasher automatically flags for you any messages containing viruses and possible spam which makes for quick and easy identification though you still need to check this manually to ensure you agree with its classification. The current version of Mailwasher is shareware and if you can afford $37 then buy it. However the last free version of Mailwasher before it went commercial is still floating around the web. It lacks some of the advanced spam detection features of the latest version but is still very effective. You can get it using the second link below. Alternatively, try XTerminator which provides some of the same features of Mailwasher and is totally free. http://www.mailwasher.net ( 3.05MB) <=3D commercial version http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/page2.html#Mailwasher (1.57MB) http://www.artplus.hr/adapps/eng/xterminator.htm (1.87MB) Gordon Stewart wrote:Hi there - Is there a way of Mozilla Thunderbird to DELETE messages from the server - BEFORE downloading the remaining ones (based on filters)... Or not (I heard some email programmes can delete from the server) - retrieve headers & then determine ?? ) -- G Stewart Gmail : gmailinvites-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx NZ: new_zealand-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx NZ Bus Website http://busnz.kwister.com/ - Updated Any intrusive unwanted visitors on your PC? http://grc.com/optout.htm http://www.cexx.org/ GO NAPSTER 1 MILLION songs. Military discount. $14.95 a month. Dump iTune$. MCH - http://shorterlink.com/?PBFUJ5 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 04:23:22 -0000 From: "Paul Ross" <przxto99@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Google in German? Hi, For several weeks now, each time I try to open google.com I am directed to google.de I then scroll to the bootom of the page where I click on the link for google in English, and that brings me to google.com! This may sound like my browser has been hijacked, but I recently had occassion to reinstall XP twice, and that had no effect on this problem. I also have at least 6 different anti spyware and registry cleaning programs but they are not finding this problem. Would appreciate it if someone can tell me what is causing this. Paul ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 23:36:11 -0700 (PDT) From: K-lang <cade00000@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Broadcast Flag Rule Struck Down Antipiracy Rule for Broadcasts Is Struck Down By STEPHEN LABATON From: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/07/technology/07tele.html WASHINGTON, May 6 - A federal appeals court handed a major setback to Hollywood and the TV networks on Friday when it struck down an antipiracy regulation requiring computer and television makers to use new technology that would make it difficult for consumers to copy and distribute digital programs. The unanimous ruling by the three-judge panel, in an important case at the intersection of intellectual property and technology, was a stinging rebuke for the Federal Communications Commission. The court said the commission exceeded its authority when it approved the rules in 2003. It was a significant victory for libraries, consumer groups and civil liberties organizations. They had maintained that the regulation, known as the Broadcast Flag Rule, would stifle innovation in technology and make it more difficult for consumers and users of library services to circulate material legitimately. ....the fight would shift in the near term to Congress, which is already weighing legislation. Hollywood executives and their lobbyists warned that if the rule was not resurrected by Congress, studios and broadcasters would sharply limit the digital programming available over the airwaves, focusing instead on channels limited to cable and satellite services, where they have other means to control what can be copied. The rule at issue in Friday's decision would have required manufacturers to install special technology in new computers and televisions that would enable them to recognize a "broadcast flag" - specially embedded computer bits in the programs created by the studios and the networks. The new equipment would then restrict redistribution and reuse of the programs. For years, the movie studios and television networks urged the commission to adopt the rule... They maintained that without the imposition of the broadcast flag, shows would be copied and then transmitted limitlessly through the Internet, much the way music is. But the critics said that the studios and networks were unduly alarmist and that the new rule, which was to have taken effect July 1, would prevent consumers from copying and using programs for legitimate reasons. Research librarians submitted affidavits in the case contending that the broadcast flag rule would make it impossible to distribute broadcast clips and other research material over the Internet to researchers and students. Critics also maintained that the commission had overreached and ... ridiculing the agency in the aftermath of the rulemaking as the "federal computer commission." The rule was challenged from the moment it was issued in November 2003. "You've gone too far," said Judge Harry T. Edwards during the oral arguments, as he pressed a government lawyer to justify how the agency could possibly set standards governing computers and the Internet. "Are washing machines next?" But the breadth of Judge Edwards's opinion was more than many lawyers had expected. "In this case, all relevant materials concerning the F.C.C.'s jurisdiction - including the words of the Communications Act of 1934, its legislative history, subsequent legislation, relevant case law, and commission practice - confirm that the F.C.C. has no authority to regulate consumer electronic devices that can be used for receipt of wire or radio communication when those devices are not engaged in the process of radio or wire transmission," Judge Edwards wrote. "And the agency's strained and implausible interpretations of the definitional provisions of the Communications Act of 1934 do not lend credence to its position. As the Supreme Court has reminded us, Congress 'does not ... hide elephants in mouse holes.' "His opinion, in American Library Association v. Federal Communications Commission, was joined by Judges David B. Sentelle and Judith W. Rogers. The broadcast flag rule was adopted at the urging of Michael K. Powell when he was commission chairman. It was supported by Kevin J. Martin, a commissioner at the time who became chairman this year. "Without a broadcast flag, consumers may lose access to the very best programming offered on local television," said Edward O. Fritts, chairman and chief executive of the National Association of Broadcasters. But Gigi B. Sohn, president of Public Knowledge, a digital rights advocacy group that led the fight against the broadcast flag rule, warned that intervention by Congress could create a new set of problems for consumers and innovators. "If Congress starts to go down the road of giving the F.C.C. broad power over new applications and technologies, who knows what comes next?" Ms. Sohn said. "This case is about the future of technology." --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:16:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Google in German? Google and some other sites can detect the language settings of a browser and automatically serve content in the preferred language. My suggestion, go here: http://www.google.com/language_tools http://www.google.com/preferences?hl=3Den The details on changing language preference are often company-confidential.= Here is something interesting. Some Googlers noticed that going to http://google.com does *not* result in a redirect. What's more, language negotiation works too! It seems we can form a semi-official conclusion= here: Only http://www.google.com is broken. http://google.com seems to work fine.= Paul Ross <przxto99@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hi, For several weeks now, each time I try to open google.com I am directed to google.de I then scroll to the bootom of the page where I click on the link for google in English, and that brings me to google.com! This may sound like my browser has been hijacked, but I recently had occassion to reinstall XP twice, and that had no effect on this problem. I also have at least 6 different anti spyware and registry cleaning programs but they are not finding this problem. Would appreciate it if someone can tell me what is causing this. Paul Any intrusive unwanted visitors on your PC? http://grc.com/optout.htm http://www.cexx.org/ GO NAPSTER 1 MILLION songs. Military discount. $14.95 a month. Dump iTune$. MCH - http://shorterlink.com/?PBFUJ5 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:26:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Having problems playing games with pogo and yahoo Before installing the Java version found in the link suggested by Murray, I would suggest to you to go first to your Add/Remove Programs in Control Panel and remove all the other Java versions that you have there. Then install the new version. The reason for that is the older Java software are vulnerable to several exploits. Also, are you using IE or some alternative internet browser like Firefox and Opera? You might wanna install Flash Player and Macromedia Shockwave too. I found out that after installing the new version, it fixed a lot of animation problems I had in both IE and Firefox. The weird thing is, I tried several versions of Shockwave. It was only on the third version that I tried to install that the problems were corrected. Unfortunately, I forgot the link where I downloaded the program from. But for you, stick with the official sites whenever you are downloading something, not some unknown download central which could very well be distributing infected legit software. Scan the files before you install. MURRAY WHITE <phymur@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: http://www.java.com/en/ look to upper R corner for the orange DOWNLOAD button and proceed from there. MW Sandy Hamrick <sandy88hamrick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I need some help.............i have to have java install and dont know how to do it can someone help me?????????????? Any intrusive unwanted visitors on your PC? http://grc.com/optout.htm http://www.cexx.org/ GO NAPSTER 1 MILLION songs. Military discount. $14.95 a month. Dump iTune$. MCH - http://shorterlink.com/?PBFUJ5 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:32:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Re: Format Problem - SOLVED! Paul, I'm still confused. What was the problem: the FDD or the ribbon cable connected to it? Are you saying you just reseated the cable onto your FDD and your mobo? Paul Ross <przxto99@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I just swapped out the FDD, and everything is now okay. As the problem began shortly after I was inside the case, my first thought was that I had disturbed one of the cables. There is no such thing as a RAW file system, that is what XP reports when it can't find the FAT table on the floppy, which it wasn't able to do because it couldn't read the floppy. Paul =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --- In mycomputerheadaches@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Seantific <spunkovision@xxxx> wrote: > Did you remove then reinstall the driver for the FD? Is your BIOS recognizing it? > Try unplugging and then plugging back the ribbon cable that connects the FD to the mobo. MCH - http://shorterlink.com/?PBFUJ5 see the Yahoo home page http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mycomputerheadaches/ See the self help page here //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/webpage?webpage_id=mch