[mchFree] [MCH] Digest Number 1372

  • From: "Mike" <mikebike@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: mch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 08:18:45 -0700




There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware!
           From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
      2. Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware!
           From: Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx>
      3. Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware!
           From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
      4. Re: any ideas  Memtest86
           From: Rakesh Tewary <rtewary@xxxxxxxxx>
      5. Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware!
           From: Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx>
      6. Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware!
           From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
      7. Re: any ideas  Memtest86
           From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
      8. Re: mozilla Thunderbird
           From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
      9. Google in German?
           From: "Paul Ross" <przxto99@xxxxxxxxx>
     10. Broadcast Flag Rule Struck Down
           From: K-lang <cade00000@xxxxxxxxx>
     11. Re: Google in German?
           From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
     12. Re: Having problems playing games with pogo and yahoo
           From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
     13. Re: Re: Format Problem - SOLVED!
           From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>


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Message: 1         
   Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:25:40 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware!


Google Web Accelerator 
http://webaccelerator.google.com/support.html 


This new product from Google is causing quite a stir in the news because of
several problems it is causing and due to some privacy concerns. I would
stay away from it but you can make up your own mind. It seems from what
I've read so far, everyone will be affected by this specially if your
online friends and acquaintances are using this new software. The links,
and your emails that your friends clicked will be stored in Google servers
if they have this software installed. This will have an spider web-like
effect that will span the whole internet. Chilling, if I am right. Read on
to learn more. 


The Google Web Accelerator is a free download for both Firefox and IE that
helps load websites faster for broadband Windows users. According to their
information page the software uses Google servers as a proxy for web
content, delivering the pages to your system more rapidly & pre-compressing
them. Sounds good, right? 


This article might give you second thoughts: 


Think Before You Worship 
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3D2858 

The author of the article wrote: 
There's a hardcore group of folks on the Internet who assume Google can do
no wrong. To their credit, Google has spent years and millions upon
millions of dollars cultivating this image, so I can understand where it
comes from..."Well gee, Google offers all these services which don't cost
me a thing, therefore they've got to be an unquestionable, infallible
entity in my book!" the greasy nerd with 10-pound glasses exclaims while
typing "MICROSOFT SUCKS" into his Google search bar. "Clearly this company
only produces things for the good of all humanity! They aren't concerned
with trivial things such as making money, dominating the marketplace, or
boosting their stock prices!" 
This type of idiotic, blind fanboy mentality has led to where we are today:
the Google Web Accelerator...So what does this incredible free new service
accomplish? 

Google claims it magically speeds up your Internet connection, and for the
average user, it does. This is done by caching entire websites on Google's
servers, passing copies of any page a user visits and sending them to
Google HQ. Basically they're just creating carbon copies of everything you
read, every site you visit, every image you load, and storing them on their
servers, under the idea that you will have a faster connection to their
servers than you would to whatever website you're visiting. 

Well here's the problem, folks: everything you view is now owned by Google.
Do you read email? Well now Google reads your email, and now the entire
world can read your email. Do you use private messages through a website?
Well they aren't private any more; now anybody using Google's Web
Accelerator can read them: 
http://img188.echo.cx/my.php?image=3Dgooooogle4au.png 
Every single page you read, every single website you visit, every single
cookie you use, every single thing you do on the Internet is now owned by
Google and is viewable to anybody using their program. I hope you're
completely comfortable with the entire world being able to see every single
webpage you read and every single website you visit, because thanks to
Google, it's now happening. Check out their privacy policy if you don't
believe me: 
http://webaccelerator.google.com/privacy.html 

I'm having to pay a coder just to figure out how to prevent Google from
caching all the webpages on our forums. Why is this a problem? Well first
of all, it's a giant security hole, as private forums for mods and admins
can now be viewed by anybody: 
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=3D&threadid=3D1550469 
Thanks Google, thank you very much for sharing our sensitive information
with the entire Internet, without even giving warning or notice to any
parties involved! Secondly, our forums offer a private messaging feature,
where users can send messages to each other which can only be read by
them...If you're using Google's Web Accelerator - guess what? - now anybody
can read your private messages! Cookies, logins, sensitive information,
private messages - they're all stored on Google's servers now, and they're
all available for anybody on the Internet to read. 

So how can a company like Google get away with this? If Microsoft had
released something similar, you can damn well be sure millions of angry,
greasy Lunix zealots would be carrying torches and pitchforks to Bill
Gates' house. The reason Google can so brazenly trample over the entire
Internet is because people let them. They spent so long carefully crafting
their pristine Internet image and reputation that all their actions are now
seen as faultless, for the good of all humanity. Google surely wouldn't do
anything bad or evil! After all, their company's motto says so! You know,
that company motto they paid a legal and creative team to come up with. For
the company that makes millions upon millions of dollars. For a business
fueled by capitalism, just like every other corporation in the history of
the universe. 

Making money isn't bad. The pursuit of money isn't bad. Money isn't bad.
Failing to question companies that prey on you is bad. Google doesn't care
about you or me or the Internet as a whole, unless one or all of these
things can somehow make them another dollar...Microsoft receives strict
scrutiny for every move they make, which is a damn good thing because it
keeps their company in check. Google doesn't, and this is what led to the
release of their Web Accelerator program. Bending over to worship at the
feet of a company just gives them a better chance to step on your back and
boost themselves higher. Google is just another Microsoft without the bad
reputation. [unquote]


Enough said? What do you all think? 

Moreover....the following technical problems are being caused linked to
this Web Accelerator. These articles will tell you why: 


Google Web Accelerator: Hey, not so fast - an alert for web app designers 
http://tinyurl.com/7chxc 

Quote: The accelerator scours a page and prefetches the content behind each
link. This gives the illusion of pages loading faster (since they=92ve
already been pre-loaded behind the scenes). Here=92s the problem: Google is
essentially clicking every link on the page =97 including links like=
 "delete
this" or "cancel that." And to make matters worse, Google ignores the
Javascript confirmations. So, if you have a "Are you sure you want to
delete this?" Javascript confirmation behind that "delete" link, Google
ignores it and performs the action anyway. [unquote]


Web Accelerator Can Delete Your Account? 
http://tinyurl.com/aep5q 

Quote: Jason Fried purports that Google Web Accelerator is, because of
prefetching, actually clicking on links like "Delete my account" or
"Cancel" in webforms. [unquote]


Anyone up for downloading Google's new Web Accelerator today?



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Message: 2         
   Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:36:11 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware!

I am NOT a greasy Lunix zealot!

Steve
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Message: 3         
   Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:58:11 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware!

Oh ok. Thanks for sharing that with us. I think the point of the article
was not to point out that Lunix fans are all zealots or greasy but to just
say that there is that segment of Lunix users who are, as there are greasy
zealots Windows users too. I don't know about Mac users being greasy since
they carry fat wallets and are mostly sophisticated but there are Mac
zealots too. :) But that was not the main point of the articles Foo posted
in SMB where I copied what I posted here from. Anyway, I didn't think you
are a greasy Lunix zealot anyway..hehe. Just putting that on record. And by
the way, that was a quote from the main article featured in Foo's article
and should not be attributed to Foo nor to me. I hope this does not eclipse
the main message of the article.
 


Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am NOT a greasy Lunix zealot!

Steve
NH



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Message: 4         
   Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 21:23:23 +0530
   From: Rakesh Tewary <rtewary@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: any ideas  Memtest86

Hello Mike,

> Hi Folks,
> Memtest86 is one of those utilities we should all save to a floppy disk.
>
> Book marking helpful utilities is ok if you have another computer to 
> access your bookmarks on.
> But if your computer won't boot you need the utilities on a floppy to 
> try to diagnose the problems.
>
> I had problems setting up my Linux box and went through over 100 
> utilities on floppy disks.
>
> Mike ~ one of the Moderators
> It is a good day if I learned something new.
> Editor MikesWhatsNews http://www.mwn.ca/

I downloaded the Memtest86 and moved the zipped file to a floppy where 
its description is memt32? When I read the Readme.txt it says that the 
Installation is for Linux Only?

Have I messed up - as usual?! :-) I am using WinXP Pro, P4 2.0 with 
512MB RAM.

If not, do I just run the .exe file from the floppy to test my RAM?

Many thanks in advance.

Warm regards,
Ricky.




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Message: 5         
   Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:14:27 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware!

Just fooling, Spunk. Seriously, though, I wouldn't
touch that web accelerator with a 10-foot mouse.

Steve

NH
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--- Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Oh ok. Thanks for sharing that with us. I think the
> point of the article was not to point out that Lunix
> fans are all zealots or greasy but to just say that
> there is that segment of Lunix users who are, as
> there are greasy zealots Windows users too. I don't
> know about Mac users being greasy since they carry
> fat wallets and are mostly sophisticated but there
> are Mac zealots too. :) But that was not the main
> point of the articles Foo posted in SMB where I
> copied what I posted here from. Anyway, I didn't
> think you are a greasy Lunix zealot anyway..hehe.
> Just putting that on record. And by the way, that
> was a quote from the main article featured in Foo's
> article and should not be attributed to Foo nor to
> me. I hope this does not eclipse the main message of
> the article.
>  
> 
> 
> Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I am NOT a greasy Lunix zealot!
> 
> Steve
> NH
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Message: 6         
   Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:31:05 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Google Web Accelerator USERS Beware!

Me neither..but you know this thing can spread then our friends will
download them and then when they read our emails, that too will be archived
by Google for everyone to see. *sigh*
 
 


Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Just fooling, Spunk. Seriously, though, I wouldn't touch that web
accelerator with a 10-foot mouse.

Steve

NH
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Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:)
Oh ok. Thanks for sharing that with us. I think the point of the article
was not to point out that Lunix fans are all zealots or greasy but to just
say that there is that segment of Lunix users who are, as there are greasy
zealots Windows users too. I don't know about Mac users being greasy since
they carry fat wallets and are mostly sophisticated but there are Mac
zealots too. :) But that was not the main point of the articles Foo posted
in SMB where I copied what I posted here from. Anyway, I didn't think you
are a greasy Lunix zealot anyway..hehe. Just putting that on record. And by
the way, that was a quote from the main article featured in Foo's article
and should not be attributed to Foo nor to me. I hope this does not eclipse
the main message of the article.

 

Steve Eisenberg <chobersdeert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

I am NOT a greasy Lunix zealot!

Steve NH



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Message: 7         
   Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:08:38 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: any ideas  Memtest86

There are two versions available at the site:
One for Windows and DOS
One for Linux
 


Rakesh Tewary <rtewary@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I downloaded the Memtest86 and moved the zipped file to a floppy where its
description is memt32? When I read the Readme.txt it says that the
Installation is for Linux Only?

Have I messed up - as usual?! :-) I am using WinXP Pro, P4 2.0 with 
512MB RAM.

If not, do I just run the .exe file from the floppy to test my RAM?

Many thanks in advance.

Warm regards,
Ricky.



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http://www.cexx.org/ 
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Message: 8         
   Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 23:10:59 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: mozilla Thunderbird

I'm far from being an expert on Thunderbird so I am probably the last
person who should be responding to you about what you are asking. However,
this what little I know:


You asked:
Is there a way of Mozilla Thunderbird to DELETE messages from the server -
BEFORE downloading the remaining ones based on filters?


My response:
Not easily. There are tools like Mailwasher which download stuff and
pre-filter before letting the mail client have a shot, but you still spend
just as much time dealing with it. Spamihilator I think does the same:
http://www.spamihilator.com/

Mailwasher supports Firefox or just about anything. It just runs before the
mail client, downloads all the headers, deletes stuff you tell it to, then
launches the mail client to download the rest.  But I'm not sure if
Mailwasher still has a free version.
http://www.mailwasher.net/
The Last Freeware Version is here though:
http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/page2.html#Mailwasher

Let me know if this version is really still free AND works for your Windows
version. Are you using XP?

The 16 Best-Ever Freeware Utilities voted Mailwasher as The Best Free Spam
Filter for the Average User and also recommends a similar utility called
XTerminator. Read the original article below:


Best Free Spam Filter for the Average User 
From: http://www.techsupportalert.com/best_16_free_utilities.htm

Mailwasher is for most folk, the easiest way of free option for dealing
with Spam.  It's an email preview utility that allows you to check your
email on your mail server before you download it to your PC. The advantage
of this approach is that you can kill unwanted messages including spam,
viruses and large attachments before they get anywhere near your computer.
Mailwasher automatically flags for you any messages containing viruses and
possible spam which makes for quick and easy identification though you
still need to check this manually to ensure you agree with its
classification. The current version of Mailwasher is shareware and if you
can afford $37 then buy it. However the last free version of Mailwasher
before it went commercial is still floating around the web. It lacks some
of the advanced spam detection features of the latest version but is still
very effective. You can get it using the second link below. Alternatively,
try XTerminator which provides some of the same
 features of Mailwasher and is totally free.
http://www.mailwasher.net ( 3.05MB) <=3D commercial version 
http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/page2.html#Mailwasher (1.57MB)
http://www.artplus.hr/adapps/eng/xterminator.htm  (1.87MB)  




Gordon Stewart  wrote:Hi there - Is there a way of Mozilla Thunderbird to
DELETE messages from the server - BEFORE downloading the remaining ones
(based on filters)...

Or not (I heard some email programmes can delete  from the server) -
retrieve headers & then determine ?? )


-- 

G Stewart
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NZ: new_zealand-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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http://busnz.kwister.com/ - Updated




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Message: 9         
   Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 04:23:22 -0000
   From: "Paul Ross" <przxto99@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Google in German?

Hi, For several weeks now, each time I try to open google.com I am 
directed to google.de I then scroll to the bootom of the page where I 
click on the link for google in English, and that brings me to 
google.com! This may sound like my browser has been hijacked, but I 
recently had occassion to reinstall XP twice, and that had no effect
on 
this problem. I also have at least 6 different anti spyware and 
registry cleaning programs but they are not finding this problem.
Would 
appreciate it if someone can tell me what is causing this. Paul  






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Message: 10        
   Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 23:36:11 -0700 (PDT)
   From: K-lang <cade00000@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Broadcast Flag Rule Struck Down

Antipiracy Rule for Broadcasts Is Struck Down
By STEPHEN LABATON
From: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/07/technology/07tele.html

WASHINGTON, May 6 - A federal appeals court handed a major setback to
Hollywood and the TV networks on Friday when it struck down an antipiracy
regulation requiring computer and television makers to use new technology
that would make it difficult for consumers to copy and
distribute digital programs.
      
The unanimous ruling by the three-judge panel, in an important case at the
intersection of intellectual property and technology, was a stinging rebuke
for the Federal Communications Commission. The court said the commission
exceeded its authority when it approved the rules
in 2003.

It was a significant victory for libraries, consumer groups and civil
liberties organizations. They had maintained that the regulation, known as
the Broadcast Flag Rule, would stifle innovation in technology and make it
more difficult for consumers and users of library services to
circulate material legitimately.

....the fight would shift in the near term to Congress, which is already
weighing legislation. Hollywood executives and their lobbyists warned that
if the rule was not resurrected by Congress, studios and broadcasters would
sharply limit the digital programming available over
the airwaves, focusing instead on channels limited to cable and satellite
services, where they have other means to control what can be copied.

The rule at issue in Friday's decision would have required manufacturers to
install special technology in new computers and televisions that would
enable them to recognize a "broadcast flag" - specially embedded computer
bits in the programs created by the studios
and the networks. The new equipment would then restrict redistribution and
reuse of the programs.

For years, the movie studios and television networks urged the commission
to adopt the rule... They maintained that without the imposition of the
broadcast flag, shows would be copied and
then transmitted limitlessly through the Internet, much the way music is.

But the critics said that the studios and networks were unduly alarmist and
that the new rule, which was to have taken effect July 1, would prevent
consumers from copying and using programs for legitimate reasons.

Research librarians submitted affidavits in the case contending that the
broadcast flag rule would make it impossible to distribute broadcast clips
and other research material over the Internet to researchers and students.

Critics also maintained that the commission had overreached and ...
ridiculing the agency in
the aftermath of the rulemaking as the "federal computer commission."

The rule was challenged from the moment it was issued in November 2003.

"You've gone too far," said Judge Harry T. Edwards during the oral
arguments, as he pressed a government lawyer to justify how the agency
could possibly set standards governing computers and the Internet. "Are
washing machines next?"

But the breadth of Judge Edwards's opinion was more than many lawyers had
expected.

"In this case, all relevant materials concerning the F.C.C.'s
jurisdiction - including the words of the Communications Act of 1934,
its legislative history, subsequent legislation, relevant case law, and
commission practice - confirm that the F.C.C. has no authority to
regulate consumer electronic devices that can be used for receipt of
wire or radio communication when those devices are not engaged in the
process of radio or wire transmission," Judge Edwards wrote. 

"And the agency's strained and implausible interpretations of the
definitional provisions of the Communications Act of 1934 do not lend
credence to its position. As the Supreme Court has reminded us, Congress
'does not ... hide elephants in mouse holes.' "His opinion, in American
Library Association v. Federal Communications Commission, was joined by
Judges David B. Sentelle and Judith W. Rogers.
      
The broadcast flag rule was adopted at the urging of Michael K. Powell when
he was commission chairman. It was supported by Kevin J. Martin, a
commissioner at the time who became chairman this year.

"Without a broadcast flag, consumers may lose access to the very best
programming offered on local television," said Edward O. Fritts, chairman
and chief executive of the National Association of Broadcasters. 

But Gigi B. Sohn, president of Public Knowledge, a digital rights advocacy
group that led the fight against the broadcast flag rule, warned that
intervention by Congress could create a new set of problems for consumers
and innovators.

"If Congress starts to go down the road of giving the F.C.C. broad power
over new applications and technologies, who knows what comes next?" Ms.
Sohn said. "This case is about the future of technology."



                
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Message: 11        
   Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:16:15 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Google in German?

Google and some other sites can detect the language settings of a browser
and automatically serve content in the preferred language.
My suggestion, go here:
http://www.google.com/language_tools
http://www.google.com/preferences?hl=3Den
 
The details on changing language preference are often company-confidential.=
 

Here is something interesting. Some Googlers noticed that going to
http://google.com does *not* result in a redirect. What's more, language
negotiation works too! It seems we can form a semi-official conclusion=
 here:
Only http://www.google.com is broken. http://google.com seems to work fine.=
 




Paul Ross <przxto99@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi, For several weeks now, each time I try to open google.com I am directed
to google.de I then scroll to the bootom of the page where I click on the
link for google in English, and that brings me to google.com! This may
sound like my browser has been hijacked, but I recently had occassion to
reinstall XP twice, and that had no effect on this problem. I also have at
least 6 different anti spyware and registry cleaning programs but they are
not finding this problem.
Would appreciate it if someone can tell me what is causing this. 

Paul  




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Message: 12        
   Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:26:45 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Having problems playing games with pogo and yahoo

Before installing the Java version found in the link suggested by Murray, I
would suggest to you to go first to your Add/Remove Programs in Control
Panel and remove all the other Java versions that you have there. Then
install the new version. The reason for that is the older Java software are
vulnerable to several exploits. 

Also, are you using IE or some alternative internet browser like Firefox
and Opera?

You might wanna install Flash Player and Macromedia Shockwave too. I found
out that after installing the new version, it fixed a lot of animation
problems I had in both IE and Firefox.
The weird thing is, I tried several versions of Shockwave. It was only on
the third version that I tried to install that the problems were corrected.
Unfortunately, I forgot the link where I downloaded the program from. But
for you, stick with the official sites whenever you are downloading
something, not some unknown download central which could very well be
distributing infected legit software. Scan the files before you install.
 



MURRAY WHITE <phymur@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
http://www.java.com/en/

look to upper R corner for the orange DOWNLOAD button and proceed from
there.

MW

Sandy Hamrick <sandy88hamrick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I need some help.............i have to have java install and dont know how
to do it can someone help me??????????????



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Message: 13        
   Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:32:52 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Seantific <spunkovision@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Format Problem - SOLVED!

Paul, I'm still confused. What was the problem: the FDD or the ribbon cable
connected to it?
Are you saying you just reseated the cable onto your FDD and your mobo?





Paul Ross <przxto99@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I just swapped out the FDD, and everything is now okay. As the problem
began shortly after I was inside the case, my first thought was that I had
disturbed one of the cables. There is no such thing as a RAW file system,
that is what XP reports when it can't find the FAT table on the floppy,
which it wasn't able to do because it couldn't read the floppy.  Paul
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--- In mycomputerheadaches@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Seantific 
<spunkovision@xxxx> wrote:
> Did you remove then reinstall the driver for the FD? Is your BIOS
recognizing it?
> Try unplugging and then plugging back the ribbon cable that connects the
FD to the mobo.

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