[macvoiceover] Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities
- From: Buddy Brannan <buddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 19:14:27 -0500
If you’re frustration is with Linkedin, I don’t think that it will change with
Windows. LinkedIn is just a pain in the ass with everything.
—
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
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> On Feb 11, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Mary Scott <bluespruce7@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am not a techy at all but lately, I have been thinking about going back to
> Windows. I have a MacBook Pro and I have used VoiceOver for several years. I
> have become very frustrated and I don’t know if it is me, my computer, the
> websites, or VoiceOver.
>
> LinkedIn makes me absolutely crazy and it makes me mad. I feel like using bad
> words. Grin. You caught me in a frustration zone.
>
> Sorry for ranting.
>
> Mel
>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 5:38 PM, William Windels <william.windels@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am writing to you since the progress of the accessibility features are
>> really pour in the last releases of osx 10.10.2.
>> The mac is still missing some important features against windows with a
>> commercial screenreader, and this after more 6 years of voiceover as
>> built-in screenreader.
>> Ok, voiceover is still a free, built-in screenreader but on windows , there
>> are 2 free screenreader for the windows platform that are better in some
>> cases than voiceover.
>>
>> Braille is still very basicnin osx:
>> Some daily problems I discover with voiceover:
>> I can’t follow courses with only braille output (without speech) during
>> colleges.
>> I mean: there is some important information missing on the braille display
>> that’s only available with speech.
>>
>> What is missing:
>>>> 1- no option for word wrapping: this can be useful for fast reading
>>>> (loudly);
>>>> 2- no different modes line, structured, speech (like in jaws): specialy
>>>> structured mode in jaws is configurable, type of controls is shown,
>>>> interaction-levels could be shown on this way.
>>>> It’s e.g. very frustrating if you are in a text area and you can read all
>>>> with the braille-line but you can’t edit or simply move the cursor to any
>>>> position that is visible on the braille display.
>>>>
>>>> 3- to know if quicknav is on/off before moving isn’t possible also.
>>>> On this way , it’s very easy to lose your position in a text-area or a
>>>> window.
>>>> The quick-nav option has also some bugs in general but is sometimes very
>>>> useful for navigation (and specially on a macbook).
>>
>>>> 4- In some cases, the text that’s in the voiceover cursor is (always)
>>>> underlineed with dots 7-8. On this way , no other attributes are shown and
>>>> the cursor isn’t shown. If dots 7,8 are turned off, the cursor isn’t
>>>> visible at all and capitals aren’t shown also.
>>>>
>>>> 5- When i put the cursor on a letter in a text I delete a .(dot) sign on
>>>> the left sign of the cursor and voiceover says sometimes something else.
>>
>>
>>
>> further braille bugs:
>> cursor routing on the first sign of the braille-display: the text on the
>> display is gone;
>> when composing a message to multiple recipients , while the speech is saying
>> correctly the contact that has the focus, the braille display isn’t
>> following.
>>
>>>> Further:
>>
>>
>> Some bugs since 10.9 aren’t fixed:
>> the icons in the statusbar like the third party app dropbox can’t be
>> accessed with voiceover from there.
>> The drag and drop-function with voiceover is not improved since the
>> introduction in osx 10.7 and gives not the same possibilities for blind
>> users as for sighted users.
>> The button to mount all external (network)-stations at once in finder is not
>> accessible with voiceover;
>>
>> And some different points:
>> Ibooks was basically accessible with voiceover after one update from osx
>> 10.9 to osx 10.10.
>>
>> iWork’s is mainly accessible but is still missing some important
>> compatibility options to work together with ms office.
>> (most of the people that work in a administrative job, use windows with ms
>> office).
>>
>> I still love the mac because of some intuïtive features like the trackpad
>> with voiceover, time-machine, the possibility to maintain the system as
>> blind user on my own.
>> But , I don’t know if the newest features for blind users are good and
>> innovative enough to spend that much money on.
>>
>> With so great financial results the last weeks that where announced from
>> Apple, I should hope that more innovation is coming for people with
>> disabilities.
>>
>> Keep on the work that Steve Jobs has started.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> William Windels>
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