[macvoiceover] Re: Ready to take the plunge, but...

From: Donna Goodin <goodindo@xxxxxxx>
To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:56:30 -0400
Really.  Why, I would have thought you wouldn't need it.  Wouldn't you just use 
regular jaws keys?
Donna

-----Original Message-----
From: David Poehlman <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:09 AM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Ready to take the plunge, but...

I'll say though that if you are going to load windows on the beast you  
will probably want a numpad.

On Aug 3, 2009, at 11:27 PM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote:

Hi John,

Great article!  I read it a while back, not knowing, of course, that  
it was yours!  Thanks for your feeback too!

Russell

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From: "John Panarese" <jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:32 PM
To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Ready to take the plunge, but...

>      Just to add to what Keith said, I wrote a brief account of my  
> switching experience, which is on
>
> www.lioncourt.com
> and might also be on Keith's website.  I can tell you that I have  
> come  a long way since then, and at this point, I use Windows for  
> only the purpose of keeping up my skills and to support my existing  
> customers  on related products.  Frankly, Everything for the  
> business and   Everything else is now been moved to the Mac.  There  
> are days I never  fire up my Windows desktop or laptop.  In fact, I  
> almost dread having  to deal with Windows at times.  Now that I have  
> several spreadsheet  options and I can use my invoice template in  
> Open Office, I have no  need for MS Office in Windows.  Also, since  
> terminal talks, I can mud  on the Mac.
>
>    The Mac is just far more reliable, stable and an environment in   
> which you don't have the operating system in your face or getting  
> in  your way more times than it should or you often desire.  No  
> viruses or  spam, and I have not had my system crash or VoiceOver  
> suddenly clam up  and leave me totally Blind as has occurred many  
> times with both Window- Eyes and JAWS through the years.  When Snow  
> Leopard is out and we know  exactly what advancements and  
> improvements there are to VoiceOver, I  will probably submit a  
> follow up article on my experiences and my  observations about the  
> Mac and Windows.  Frankly, although it will  most likely be an  
> awkward and frustrating start that will test your  patience, once  
> you put your Windows screen reader and operating system  mindset  
> aside and amerce yourself in the Mac ways of doing things,  there  
> literally comes a moment where it all falls into place and you   
> realize just why switchers speak so highly and enthusiastically of  
> the  Mac.  I honestly do not know any sighted person who claims to  
> be a  truly "happy" Windows user, and the only blind users I have  
> heard say  so have never used a Mac, simply have decided to  
> stubbornly cling to  Windows like survivors of a shipwreck holding  
> on to pieces of debris,   or have, as far as I'm concerned, drank  
> the Microsoft cool-aid and are  too far gone to change their minds.   
> On the other hand, I know Many  Happy Mac users both sighted and  
> blind, especially those who have made  the switch.  With an open  
> mind, you will also understand that  wonderful feeling of firing up  
> your computer and not having to Think  about it.  That is the  
> difference between running the Mac and Windows,  in fact.
>
> Take Care
>
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> On Aug 3, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Keith Reedy wrote:
>
>> Hi Russell,
>>
>> I remember over 4 years ago now when I had mhy first MAC setting  
>> on  a separate computer station in my office.  I had used Windows  
>> for  years, both JFW and Window-Eyes, this was how I got my work  
>> done   and I was afraid to touch this new beast, but, one day, I  
>> said, I'm  going to atleast give it a shot.
>>
>> After a few weeks I found that
>> 1 commands were the same for the most part from app to app,
>> 2 it was faster,
>> 3 I could shut off menubars and other things that I really didn't   
>> need,
>> 4 I could do things with out using VO keys all of the time
>> 5 Safari told me what was on the screen and where it was,
>> 6 Mail was very, very, good.
>> 7 I did not need to restart my computer several times a day.
>>
>> It was after these few weeks that I started to use the MAC for  
>> every thing at work and home.  The simple commands became a part of  
>> my natcherl movement.
>>
>> I learned to do things which I had found so hard to do before, like  
>> record and edit music, I remember that being the big one for me.
>>
>> I could walk up to any MAC in the world, press command-f5 and go to  
>> work.
>>
>> Am I more productive, the MAC has been life changing for me, this  
>> is what using a computer should be like for  some one who can not  
>> see  the screen.
>>
>> Keith Reedy
>>
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Okay, I'm ready to take the plunge and buy an iMac 20", but have   
>>> just one final question for everyone before I do...
>>>
>>> I'm sure, like me, most of you have come from using Windows with   
>>> either Jaws or WindowEyes.  For those of you who have been using   
>>> the Mac for a while now, would you say that you're as productive  
>>> on  the Mac as you once were on Windows?  I mean, for me, using  
>>> Jaws is  second nature to me... I don't even need to think about  
>>> what  keystrokes to use, I just interact with whatever program I  
>>> need to  to complete a given task. Now, I  know I've also been  
>>> using Jaws  for some 15 years now, so don't expect to get to this  
>>> level of  proficiency overnight, but what do you long time Mac  
>>> users think?   Has using the VO keystrokes become second nature to  
>>> you?  Once one  uses the Mac for a while, does navigating in  
>>> Safari become as easy  as navigating IE with Jaws or WE?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any and all opinions!
>>>
>>> Russell
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