Hi all, is there a way to get the url for a link in safari? Often times, I had wanted to get the url for a link, and forgot the command for this, and thanks in advance. On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:20:32 -0500, Keith Reedy wrote: Hi Chris, I use dom mode. Group mode is fine for those who like it, I just never did get in to it. Give it a try. And as David said, the item chooser, VO-i and the link chooser, VO-u are a great help and visited link is a big help to me as well HTH. Keith Reedy On Dec 11, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: > Hello Mac Gurus, > > Thanks for all of the suggestions on Mail yesterday. It seems to > have helped me sort out a lot of things and I'm working more > smoothly since. One errata from my messages yesterday, though, is > that I talked about the Thunderbird daily builds and my Mac. The > absolute truth is that I do run it on my Macintosh, the more useful > truth, however, though, is that I run it in a VM under Ubuntu with > Orca. My brain sometimes gets vapor lock when thinking about VO > versus Orca as I use them both on the Macintosh and, for all intents > and purposes, use both every day. > > Today, my question is about web browsing using VO. I have it set up > to use "Group" and find that I often need to exert an awful lot of > energy in terms of keystrokes and concentration when using a page > with which I'm not terribly familiar. Simply trying to find the > Apple TV product on the Apple web site and on Newegg.com took far > longer than it would have using JAWS, System Access or Orca. I find > the lingual and spatial semantic information provided by the VO > method of navigating applications to be about the best in the biz > and, as Dave P. can testify, I have been pounding tables about > increasing non-linear semantic information for many years now. > > On the web, though, I just can't seem to get it. As most web sites > are somewhat different from each other and many change daily, I find > that I spend a lot of time poking around trying to find objects that > may have fallen into some sort of corner in the model VO built of > the page. I also find sometimes that trying to move out of a spot > will only provide one direction (I may be on an item and can only > use VO+Up to get out as left right and down just play the sound > telling me I can't go there). Finally, I find that if I move into a > spot using VO+Right (for instance), VO+Left will bring me to a place > other than where I started which can be fairly confounding. > > Since I've started writing good things about Apple and VO in the > blog and elsewhere, I've received a lot of private email both > celebrating and condemning VO web support. Some tell me they use > Firefox with Chen's plug-in thing which I think makes for a nice > demo but cannot do the heavy lifting that a full time screen reader > must. The remainder of the pack either switches to Windows or a GNU/ > Linux distribution to do their browsing or have found some sort of > mojo that seems to elude me regarding the VO/Safari combination. > > So, this isn't really a question as much as a "I just don't get it," > sort of request for help. Is there a "VO Web Browsing for Dummies" > or some other similar document kicking around that I can use to > learn how to make the transition from the virtual buffer world to > the VO UI? > > One caveat: The object model, DOM based, turn the screen reader > into a browser and parse the HTML on its own was first introduced in > JAWS 3.31 and was invented by Glen Gordon, Eric Damery, Ted Henter > and me. Features like Quick Key navigation that came along later > were invented by some combination of Eric, Joe Stephen and me with > all of us contributing to each of these concepts. Thus, as I > invented a lot of this stuff, I have a fairly strong non-rational > attachment to it added to an ability to use it with very little > thought which, of course, makes it much faster for me to use. > > So, please send tips, tricks, documents, pointers and phone numbers > of cognitive therapists who specializing in the symptoms of having > JAWS on the brain. > > Happy Hacking, > cdh > >> >> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link >> below. >> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the >> Webinterface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > Marty > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >