[macvoiceover] Re: Newbie Questions Day 2: Safari and the Web

  • From: Dan <dnkeys@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:59:26 -0800

Hello,
One other little note with VO keys A. first, interact with the document with VO Shift Down-arrow then use VO keys A. Otherwise, you may not hear the whole document.
Dan
On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote:

Oops, I forgot to answer the actual question :).
The say all keystroke is ctrl+option+a. This works everywhere except on web pages, due to Safari's structure it's not possible to do say all on a web page and keep your place--this is something I really hope version 10.6 will fix. On a web page it's either all or nothing with say all. In all other instances, however, when you stop say all with the control key you will be placed on the line you've stopped on. This also acts as a pause, if you don't do anything else with VO and simply press ctrl again it will resume without you having to press say all again. Otherwise, you can simply switch back to the window and press VO+a to resume. One important thing to beware of is that this keystroke acts differently depending on whether or not you are interacting with an item. Interact with the item and say all will act as I described. If, however, you use it when you are not interacting with an item it will always read from the top, regardless of where you are placed. So, to resume, make sure you are interacting with the text or item before you press say all again, otherwise you will go back to the top. Another feature you may be interested inn is VO's hotspots. They're described in the Voiceover documentation, but not very thoroughly. You can use these to save your place as well. Their main drawback, however, is that they're not permanent--if you restart VO the hotspots are gone. Hopefully Apple will provide a way to save these in the next release.


On Dec 11, 2008, at 09:42, Chris Hofstader wrote:

Hi David,

I also use the item chooser, the list of links and the VO approach to quick keys but still find myself "lost" in portions of a page or unable to figure out how to get to places that I know are probably there but am uncertain of how it may be labeled. The total flattening of the virtual buffer in the other screen readers causes a lot of inefficiency resulting from turning everything into a laundry list of objects. VO, though, seems to build a box of boxes (which seems to work great for applications and, if they move in the direction of an r-tree sorting algorithm with some intelligence added, they may well be able to take screen reader UI well into this century) I find I have trouble finding the right "box" on many web pages.

This is probably due to ignorance but I cannot seem to find a way to do a SayAll in Html or PDF with VO. I get lots of long, scholarly stuff in these formats and I just want to hit a single keystroke and let it rip. I also want a single key stop speech but place me where I stopped as often my reason for stopping is so I can get the spelling of a word or person's name. I then want to restart the SayAll from the same point and continue until I feel like stopping again. If this is possible with VO, I haven't found out how in a pretty lot of reading. Again, this may be a vocabulary problem or that I'm brain damaged from a decade of JAWS on the brain.

Lastly, I can't quite figure out the Find (Command+F) in Safari with VO. Is there an analogue to the virtual searches in the Windows screen access tools?

Happy Hacking,
cdh

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