Thanks Jim, I’m working my way through the documentation, and it looks like
there is an option for a trial so I can take it for a test drive. I had/have a
glimmer of hope that someone will jump in and say they use tables in Word all
the time, it’s great. It took a rather long time before tables were VO friendly
in Pages, worked slick when they finally figured it out.
Off to figure out how to get the free trial, at least I know which couple of
features will make it worth it.
Thanks again for your wisdom,
Ian
On Sep 8, 2020, at 12:16 PM, <jimfettgather@xxxxxxxxx>
<jimfettgather@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
While a number of both basic and fairly complex tasks are addressed in the
following pages, I did not see anything specifically for tables, although it
would seem to me that between using the Voiceover rotor to navigate by
tables, and all of the other accessibility features that are addressed within
these vast number of documents, there may be something that you can use or
that could be helpful.
Please check
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/basic-tasks-using-a-screen-reader-with-word-3e47346a-7876-450e-bcbf-0a4fe6576981#PickTab=Mac
There are lots of topics covered, I hope one of these may help. They've
gotten me started on using Office for Mac daily.
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From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Ian Edwards
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:56 PM
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Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Libre office writer?
Thanks Jim, good to hear from an actual user rather than those of us who are
really good at investigoogling an issue. Yes, I am indeed pointing at myself
on that.
A couple of questions
Do you have experience working with tables?
One of the things I did a lot of back in my Word for Windows days was
creating booklets, or bookfold printing. Church bulletins, two-sided
half-page inserts and handouts, stuff like that. This went away in previous
versions of Word for Mac, I didn’t care because it was in the time before
Voiceover accessibility was robust. According to the support docs it’s back,
do you have any experience with this formatting option? If not bookfold
printing itself, how about general margin and layout controls, good
accessibility there?
Keith, what do you mean by Office going exclusively Internet? Do you mean
that it will be delivered as an on-line service accessed through a browser
like Google Docs? What I’m reading is that currently it’s much like IWork,
apps are installed and updated, you can use them completely locally or store
documents on your 1 Drive space, kind of like Pages I guess. Support docs say
you need to connect at least every 31 days to keep up to date and have full
access to documents. It looks like they are planning more and more
integration with on-line and cloud services, but I’m not reading anything
saying the core office functions or apps are being moved away from local
installation. Looks like they are moving away from one-time purchase to the
subscription model, which I guess has its positives and negatives.I was one
of those users who stuck with an Office installation for years because it
kept working, and why pay for something that isn't going to work any better,
and might actually work worse with access tech if I upgrade? I think I was
still using Word For Windows 2000 when I switched to Mac in 2011. My Thinkpad
was a 2007, but I intentionally ordered it with a downgraded version of
Windows for access tech reasons.
I’m thinking there is some security in knowing Apple looks to be sticking
with IWork being included, so if things go South I can go back to those apps.
I’m guessing I’ll stick with Numbers as a spreadsheet, but just for
preference because I like the way you can work from table to table.
Cheers,
Ian
On Sep 8, 2020, at 8:42 AM, jimfettgather@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
May I humbly say that Office 365 for the Mac is fantastic, of course, you
may use the traditional Office ribbon if you like, but additionally, you
have access to the Apple pulldown menus, giving you the same choices as the
ribbon, it is, at least for me, far far more intuitive than Pages, and there
is tons of documentation on the Microsoft site, it is well worth the
subscription price or purchasing it outright.
I would not use any other program for Word Processing on the Mac.
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From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra Díaz (Redacted sender "ignasicambra" for DMARC)
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 9:20 AM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Libre office writer?
Keith,
What do you mean by online only? You can be sure that Office desktop apps
are not going anywhere. They are a standard, and Office 2019 was released
not long ago and is actively being developed. What Microsoft is doing is to
try and move as many people as possible to the Office 365 subscription
model, which gives you access to many of their internet services and also
allows you to download and install the latest version of Office apps. It
looks like traditional Office licenses will be disappearing, but that
doesn't mean you won't have access to the usual desktop apps as you know
them. You may want to have a look at that as I believe they offer a free
trial of Office 365, and for the past couple of years they have been
focusing on making things accessible. Let me know if you need any help with
it.
IC
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On 8 Sep 2020, at 14:58, Keith Reedy <wa9dro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes I do know that is not at this time not internet only but the point I
am having trouble getting across is that it looks like it will soon be.
kr
On Sep 8, 2020, at 6:59 AM, Ignasi Cambra Díaz (Redacted sender
"ignasicambra" for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ms Word is definitely not online only, and the Mac version actually works
nicely with VO these days. You could even consider Google Docs. Not the
easiest to learn, but a good option.
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Sep 2020, at 03:00, Keith Reedy <keithreedy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Thanks my friend,
My wife who is our secretary was using MS word but then they went
internet only and neither one of us is comfortable with that and pages no
longer supports Male merge and we need that.
I think I am going to poke around a little while longer. Some years ago
I used this app even translated braille with it. Maybe I am just missing
something.
Thanks again CJ.
Keith Reedy
On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:33 PM, CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Keith,
My results were the same as Johns. Actually, worse now that I think
about it, because it was pretty much inaccessible. Have you considered
Pages? Johnathan Mosen has a complete audio tutorial on his site
for…maybe…$35? I’m not a hundred percent certain about the tutorial’s
price. But, I do remember, when I bought my tutorial on Amadeus about a
month ago, it was a temptation. Anyway, just a thought & best of luck.
Blessings,
CJ
On Sep 7, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Keith Reedy <keithreedy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi folks,
I used Libre office writer some years ago and it went quite well
however I am trying it again and I don’t seem to be able to read text.
Is any one using this app? If so, what has changed and what is the
secret?
Thanks.
Keith Reedy>
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