Thanks CJ. No luck with VO-Command-Spacebar yet. But Vo+Shift+M seems to be the
same as pressing the plus key on my USB keyboard with numpad. Sadly this
doesn’t work in the Appstore. I still would like to be able to remove apps I no
longer need anymore.
Ben
Am 16.12.2020 um 23:51 schrieb CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx>:
Benjamin,
On your desktop, move to anything. Wait until “Actions Available” is
announced. Press VO-Command-Spacebar. You’ll get a short list of options.
The second option, on my machine in the case of a text document on my
desktop, will open the options menu. Or, just VO-Shift-M for the context
menu. There the similar, but with slight differences. I believe it’s just
the introductory offering of Os becoming more like IOS. I’m sure that future
releases will leverage this idea, even more. Well, unless the user market
rejects the concept. The VO-Command-SpaceBar is, particularly, helpful with
notification popups. Has been for me, anyway.
Best of luck,
CJ
On Dec 16, 2020, at 7:30 AM, Benjamin Blatter <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
CJ, VO+CMD+Spacebar doesn’t do anything in my case. Or did you mean just
VO+Spacebar? This wouldn’t be something new at all though …
Thanks
Ben
Am 16.12.2020 um 15:18 schrieb CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx>:
Benjamin,
When you’re apprized that “actions are available,” you can press
VO-Command-SpaceBar to access them.
Cheers,
CJ
On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:03 AM, Benjamin Blatter <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Yes, it’s a bit complicated to find:
there are sections like speech, braille, text, announcements and the last
one, which I’m not sure what it is called exactly on your system, perhapts
hints. And In this last section it’s the third option on my system. Hope
you can find it.
However, I’d like to know how exactly to access these actions. I wish I
could finally get rid of some apps in my apple account this way. but
messing around with the trackpad and so on didn’t work so far.
Ben
Am 16.12.2020 um 08:52 schrieb Kelvin Falconer
<tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
OK, however I cannot find any reference to actions available in the vo
utility, i have looked under verbosity and don't find anything.
where did you find a reference ?
K.
I float through Time and Space like a treeless leaf.
On 16/12/2020, at 7:47 PM, Benjamin Blatter <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Kelvin, I am on my macbook pro, and was refering to the settings in the
voiceover utility program (CMD+F8). I have an IOS device, my iphone, but
I guess I’m more familiar with the mac OS now despite I had the iphone
way before I got the mac ;-)
Ben
Am 16.12.2020 um 07:41 schrieb Kelvin Falconer
<tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Ben, i am on an imac desktop, not ios, if that is what you are
referring to.
i am not familiar with ios so i guess there are going to be a few new
items to get to know.
K.
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On 16/12/2020, at 5:50 PM, Benjamin Blatter <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
This announcement „Action available“ can be turned off or made
available as audio signal like three very fast knocks in the voiceover
utility program under verbosity, „If an object has it’s own actions“.
Ben
Am 16.12.2020 um 05:45 schrieb CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx>:
Kelvin,
That’s the equivalent of having an item selected in IOS & then
sliding your finger down to access the menu or “actions” for that
item. Like clearing a message off the top of your phone’s screen.
There are some similarities between the “actions” & the “context
menu.” And in fact, some of the options in both can be repeated.
However, each of those menus, also, contain varied or different
options. It’s one of the ways that Apple is trying to mirror the OS
experience to the IOS environment. I suspect, over time, that OS
will become more & more aligned with IOS. Makes sense to me.
Anyway, hope this helps,
CJ
On Dec 15, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Kelvin Falconer
<tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
a new announcement i am getting is 'actions available'.
not sure what this is about yet, any thoughts ?
happens in finder, numbers, still observing.
K.
I float through Time and Space like a treeless leaf.
On 15/12/2020, at 7:44 PM, Kelvin Falconer
<tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
i notice we now have a new tool in the vo utility, vo recognition ,
description of images.
has anybody used this, is it useful ?
K.
I float through Time and Space like a treeless leaf.
On 15/12/2020, at 7:29 PM, Kelvin Falconer
<tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
previously in catalina i used to have trouble accessing menu
extras, only one menu would show and blue tooth would not open
correctly. Now menu extras is accessible from any application,
notifications, as mentioned does not show but vo n is a good
shortcut.
no issues with mail as yet.
K.
I float through Time and Space like a treeless leaf.
On 15/12/2020, at 7:11 PM, CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Kelvin,
That's great! I didn't run in to the password problem you
describe. But, YMMV. The thing that really bugs me is Mail
inconsistancies. Basic operation is fine. But, the "All
In-Boxes" feature can be a little funny. Also, I don't like that
archived files show up in the folders I've established on my Mac
for storage & in the general archive folder for each account.
Other than that, I guess it's okay.
Anyway, I wish you the best of luck,
CJ
On 12/14/20, 10:38 PM, "Kelvin Falconer"
<macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
OK, upgrade done, had to get sighted assistance when reqquested
to enter app store password, vo did not inform me of what was on
the screen.
So far so good, new Logic update also but Logic runs fine.
Bunch of new system sounds to get used to.
Brave browser opens and appears to be in good shape.
K.
I float through Time and Space like a treeless leaf.
On 15/12/2020, at 5:12 PM, CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx> wrote:
You’re welcome,
But, remember I haven’t had much time to use the latest version
of Logic with Big Sur. Can’t test to it’s cooperative spirit
with VoiceOver. Just a mention, as I know that’s important to
many on this list.
Otherwise, enjoy,
CJ
On Dec 14, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Kelvin Falconer
<tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
thanks CJ, i have not heard any negatives so will plan to
update.
K.
I float through Time and Space like a treeless leaf.
On 15/12/2020, at 4:43 AM, CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Kelvin,
I’ve experienced some anomalies. Mostly, small &
inconsequential. The notifications interaction can be
hit-&-miss. But over all, I’m glad I did it. The alignment
between OS & IOS is interesting & promising. I know you’re
experienced enough to backup for a potential restore, so I
won’t belabor that point. In short, I think you’d be okay.
But, your mileage may vary. I just decided to take the plunge
& nothing’s blown up.
All the best,
CJ
On Dec 13, 2020, at 7:18 PM, Kelvin Falconer
<tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
CJ and others, are you confident with big sur, would you
recommend upgrading ?
K.
I float through Time and Space like a treeless leaf.
On 14/12/2020, at 3:03 PM, CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
Yeah,
Like I said, their actually different. Try VO-Command-Space
on an item & then try VO-Shift-M & you’ll find they’re are
some similarities & some differences. I’ve found, over-all,
that I like Big Sur. But, there are some anomalies.
Best of luck & Merry Christmas, Happy Honica or whatever you
celebrate,
CJ
On Dec 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Mark Baxter
<markbaxter38@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks, CJ. Since I got a BT keyboard for my iPhone, the
only time I use touch screen commands if when I’m out and
about and can’t bring the keyboard with me. VO Shift M
opens the context menu, at least most times, in IOS.
—Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Twitter: @MarkBurningHawk
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 13, 2020, at 4:59 PM, CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
Mark,
The VO-Command-SpaceBar is now the equivalent of sliding
one finger down on a selected item to open the “Actions
menu” in IOS. It’s similar to a Right Mouse click or
VO-Shift-Down arrow. But, it’s not, actually, the context
menu. The options are somewhat different. It is, in
fact, part of the effort to bring Mac’s OS more in line
with Ios’s presentation.
Hope this helps the learning curve,
CJ
On Dec 13, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Mark Baxter
<markbaxter38@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks, Suzanne! I’ll try that. VO Command Space was a
“mouse click,” a while back; maybe that’s why that works.
I was also going to experiment to see if either track pad
or keyboard commander could be set up to give a shortcut.
I love my iPHone, and use the touch screen interface
quite confidently, but because I type so fast and grew up
memorizing keyboard commands, I haven’t even used the
track pad on my MacBook Air, and keep the commander off,
and just use the keyboard for everything.
—Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Twitter: @MarkBurningHawk
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 13, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Suzanne Erb
<suzerb1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
Have you tried VO plus n? Sometimes that works for me.
I found this out by speaking with Apple Accessibility.
The guy I spoke with, Justin, was very much on the ball!
Notification Center has been completely revamped and it
is still a little buggy. Sometimes, if you’re in a list
of notifications, if you hit VO plus Command plus Space,
you can go down a menu, if you need to make a menu
selection.
Good luck.
Suzanne
On Dec 12, 2020, at 21:03, Mark Baxter
<markbaxter38@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I’m sure this is a simple fix, but I’m not able to
access Notification Center from the Menu Extras section
in Big Sur. Only way I’ve found it is through
Preferences, but is there a simpler way to do it? Same
issue with battery charge status—it’s not showing in
Menu Extras. Also, none of my sounds are playing.
Any fixes for these minor issues?
Thanks.
—Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Twitter: @MarkBurningHawk
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