OK, got it, though i will stay with the hint until i find out more about it,
the three sounds won't help, nor will nothing at all.
thanks.
K.
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On 16/12/2020, at 9:03 PM, Benjamin Blatter <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, it’s a bit complicated to find:
there are sections like speech, braille, text, announcements and the last
one, which I’m not sure what it is called exactly on your system, perhapts
hints. And In this last section it’s the third option on my system. Hope you
can find it.
However, I’d like to know how exactly to access these actions. I wish I could
finally get rid of some apps in my apple account this way. but messing around
with the trackpad and so on didn’t work so far.
Ben
Am 16.12.2020 um 08:52 schrieb Kelvin Falconer <tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
OK, however I cannot find any reference to actions available in the vo
utility, i have looked under verbosity and don't find anything.
where did you find a reference ?
K.
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On 16/12/2020, at 7:47 PM, Benjamin Blatter <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Kelvin, I am on my macbook pro, and was refering to the settings in the
voiceover utility program (CMD+F8). I have an IOS device, my iphone, but I
guess I’m more familiar with the mac OS now despite I had the iphone way
before I got the mac ;-)
Ben
Am 16.12.2020 um 07:41 schrieb Kelvin Falconer
<tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Ben, i am on an imac desktop, not ios, if that is what you are referring
to.
i am not familiar with ios so i guess there are going to be a few new
items to get to know.
K.
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On 16/12/2020, at 5:50 PM, Benjamin Blatter <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
This announcement „Action available“ can be turned off or made available
as audio signal like three very fast knocks in the voiceover utility
program under verbosity, „If an object has it’s own actions“.
Ben
Am 16.12.2020 um 05:45 schrieb CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx>:
Kelvin,
That’s the equivalent of having an item selected in IOS & then sliding
your finger down to access the menu or “actions” for that item. Like
clearing a message off the top of your phone’s screen. There are some
similarities between the “actions” & the “context menu.” And in fact,
some of the options in both can be repeated. However, each of those
menus, also, contain varied or different options. It’s one of the ways
that Apple is trying to mirror the OS experience to the IOS environment.
I suspect, over time, that OS will become more & more aligned with IOS.
Makes sense to me.
Anyway, hope this helps,
CJ
On Dec 15, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Kelvin Falconer
<tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
a new announcement i am getting is 'actions available'.
not sure what this is about yet, any thoughts ?
happens in finder, numbers, still observing.
K.
I float through Time and Space like a treeless leaf.
On 15/12/2020, at 7:44 PM, Kelvin Falconer
<tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
i notice we now have a new tool in the vo utility, vo recognition ,
description of images.
has anybody used this, is it useful ?
K.
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On 15/12/2020, at 7:29 PM, Kelvin Falconer
<tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
previously in catalina i used to have trouble accessing menu extras,
only one menu would show and blue tooth would not open correctly. Now
menu extras is accessible from any application, notifications, as
mentioned does not show but vo n is a good shortcut.
no issues with mail as yet.
K.
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On 15/12/2020, at 7:11 PM, CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Kelvin,
That's great! I didn't run in to the password problem you describe.
But, YMMV. The thing that really bugs me is Mail inconsistancies.
Basic operation is fine. But, the "All In-Boxes" feature can be a
little funny. Also, I don't like that archived files show up in the
folders I've established on my Mac for storage & in the general
archive folder for each account. Other than that, I guess it's okay.
Anyway, I wish you the best of luck,
CJ
On 12/14/20, 10:38 PM, "Kelvin Falconer"
<macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
OK, upgrade done, had to get sighted assistance when reqquested to
enter app store password, vo did not inform me of what was on the
screen.
So far so good, new Logic update also but Logic runs fine.
Bunch of new system sounds to get used to.
Brave browser opens and appears to be in good shape.
K.
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On 15/12/2020, at 5:12 PM, CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx> wrote:
You’re welcome,
But, remember I haven’t had much time to use the latest version of
Logic with Big Sur. Can’t test to it’s cooperative spirit with
VoiceOver. Just a mention, as I know that’s important to many on
this list.
Otherwise, enjoy,
CJ
On Dec 14, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Kelvin Falconer
<tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
thanks CJ, i have not heard any negatives so will plan to update.
K.
I float through Time and Space like a treeless leaf.
On 15/12/2020, at 4:43 AM, CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Kelvin,
I’ve experienced some anomalies. Mostly, small &
inconsequential. The notifications interaction can be
hit-&-miss. But over all, I’m glad I did it. The alignment
between OS & IOS is interesting & promising. I know you’re
experienced enough to backup for a potential restore, so I won’t
belabor that point. In short, I think you’d be okay. But, your
mileage may vary. I just decided to take the plunge & nothing’s
blown up.
All the best,
CJ
On Dec 13, 2020, at 7:18 PM, Kelvin Falconer
<tusciafalconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
CJ and others, are you confident with big sur, would you
recommend upgrading ?
K.
I float through Time and Space like a treeless leaf.
On 14/12/2020, at 3:03 PM, CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Yeah,
Like I said, their actually different. Try VO-Command-Space on
an item & then try VO-Shift-M & you’ll find they’re are some
similarities & some differences. I’ve found, over-all, that I
like Big Sur. But, there are some anomalies.
Best of luck & Merry Christmas, Happy Honica or whatever you
celebrate,
CJ
On Dec 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Mark Baxter
<markbaxter38@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks, CJ. Since I got a BT keyboard for my iPhone, the only
time I use touch screen commands if when I’m out and about and
can’t bring the keyboard with me. VO Shift M opens the context
menu, at least most times, in IOS.
—Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Twitter: @MarkBurningHawk
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 13, 2020, at 4:59 PM, CJ Daniel <cj_daniel@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
Mark,
The VO-Command-SpaceBar is now the equivalent of sliding one
finger down on a selected item to open the “Actions menu” in
IOS. It’s similar to a Right Mouse click or VO-Shift-Down
arrow. But, it’s not, actually, the context menu. The
options are somewhat different. It is, in fact, part of the
effort to bring Mac’s OS more in line with Ios’s
presentation.
Hope this helps the learning curve,
CJ
On Dec 13, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Mark Baxter
<markbaxter38@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks, Suzanne! I’ll try that. VO Command Space was a
“mouse click,” a while back; maybe that’s why that works. I
was also going to experiment to see if either track pad or
keyboard commander could be set up to give a shortcut. I
love my iPHone, and use the touch screen interface quite
confidently, but because I type so fast and grew up
memorizing keyboard commands, I haven’t even used the track
pad on my MacBook Air, and keep the commander off, and just
use the keyboard for everything.
—Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Twitter: @MarkBurningHawk
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 13, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Suzanne Erb
<suzerb1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
Have you tried VO plus n? Sometimes that works for me.
I found this out by speaking with Apple Accessibility. The
guy I spoke with, Justin, was very much on the ball!
Notification Center has been completely revamped and it is
still a little buggy. Sometimes, if you’re in a list of
notifications, if you hit VO plus Command plus Space, you
can go down a menu, if you need to make a menu selection.
Good luck.
Suzanne
On Dec 12, 2020, at 21:03, Mark Baxter
<markbaxter38@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I’m sure this is a simple fix, but I’m not able to access
Notification Center from the Menu Extras section in Big
Sur. Only way I’ve found it is through Preferences, but is
there a simpler way to do it? Same issue with battery
charge status—it’s not showing in Menu Extras. Also, none
of my sounds are playing.
Any fixes for these minor issues?
Thanks.
—Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Twitter: @MarkBurningHawk
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