[mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
- From: "Julio C. Perez" <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 13:53:41 -0500
For the lock toggle of VO keys I use the alternative command VO-;. I used to
use this command more before I got the external numeric keypad. The extra keys
on the pad allow me to have a whole bunch of VO commands available with single
keystrokes. Someday, when I grow up, I'll map more complex stuff to keys on the
keypad. For now, however, I'll stick to learning the available defaults. This
is always good when you need to show someone else.
On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:50 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
> to make it easier to execute vo commands, you can lock and unlock the vo
> keys, lock is vo-semicolon, to unlock is semicolon.
> command-accent only works in an application where several windows are opened.
> for instance, open a finder window froom the desktop and press
> command-accent and focus will return to the desktop.
>
> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>
> The command-accent (key left of #1 in keyboard number row) does nothing on my
> system. I am using Lion. I also have a numeric keypad (wireless external). I
> find this tremendously helpful since I don't need to try and execute those VO
> multi-key commands that make me wish I had six fingers on one hand.
> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Tracy Duffy wrote:
>
>> You can also try command along with the grav key. This will move you from
>> window to window within an application. At least it does in Snowleopard.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, George B wrote:
>>
>>> good job david i am not on my mac and could not remember that command
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-
>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:27
>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
>>>>
>>>> try vo-f2 twice to bring up a list of open windows.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So, when I press command-tab twice, it doesn't bring me to the
>>>> previously open help topic I left. It only switches me to the other
>>>> application windows or brings me back to the same VO utilities window.
>>>> If I go to the menu and arrow down the windows options, I only see one
>>>> applications window available to choose from. Is one of those other
>>>> options on that windows drop-down the one I need to take me back to the
>>>> topic I left? How does one switch to different windows within an
>>>> application window?
>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> try command-tab twice.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:47 AM, George B wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all command tab changes your application from one to another
>>>> not
>>>>> windows within a application.
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-
>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 08:44
>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, here is an example..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am currently in a help window that has . here is an even better
>>>>>> example of not having a clue of something that should be (and needs
>>>> to
>>>>>> be) understood by a neophyte.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I am writing this message, I switch to another window where I'm
>>>>>> working with a help topic. I switch back to this window to write
>>>>>> something and when I use the "command-tab" hoping to return to the
>>>> help
>>>>>> window. I end up back in the VoiceOver utilities area. Not the help
>>>>>> topic I thought I would be going to. How do I make this simple
>>>> switch
>>>>>> from one window to another without having to navigate back to the
>>>> topic
>>>>>> layer after linked layer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the sort of thing that I never had to think about before.
>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> can you give us an example? I believe I know what you need to do
>>>> but
>>>>>> rather than searching through help for an item, it would speed up
>>>> the
>>>>>> process having an example.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems like the more I think I've learned, the more I know I've
>>>>>> missed!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right now I'm going through the VoiceOver help menu seeking areas
>>>> I'm
>>>>>> weak on and hoping to learn more. When I get to a "show" clickable
>>>>>> object, I select it. and nothing seems to happen except that it
>>>> changes
>>>>>> from a "show" to a "hide" area. Where does the related information
>>>> get
>>>>>> shown? What part of this process am I not getting?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can freely admit that navigation and safari navigation in
>>>>>> particular are my weakest areas. This makes learning via the
>>>> provided
>>>>>> help topics slow. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for
>>>> transplanted
>>>>>> windows/internet explorer/JAWS users? I mean, there should be enough
>>>> of
>>>>>> us by now to have, at least, an email list that can serve as a place
>>>> to
>>>>>> trade and ask for information that might bore those of you for whom
>>>> the
>>>>>> mac environment is natural.
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>> Only the LORD will be exalted
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