[mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
- From: David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 13:26:27 -0500
did you vo right arrow after clicking show?
On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
Ok, so I select the "show" clickable object from within the open group and it
only switches it to a "hide" object. No additional windows open. I cant' find
any new information area with neither of the four new commands discussed so far
(cmd-tab, cmd-accent, VO-f1 or VO-f2).
On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese wrote:
> If you vo space on the clickable item, try navigating right with the VO and
> right arrow keys. See if that reveals anything for you.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:02 PM, "Julio C. Perez" <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Thanks John for the detailed clarification. I guess I did not get it when
>> David said it the first time. I can get back to the proper window within the
>> application by using the command-f2 twice.
>>
>> Now I can get back to the issue I started this thread with.
>>
>> So here I am in the help topic that is supposed to explain how to select and
>> deselect single and multiple items. I have here a list of clickable objects
>> that say "show" group with two items. When I interact with the group, I find
>> two clickable items within (as expected). When I click on the "show"
>> clickable, I expect to get to some text or html window that explains how to
>> do this. The only thing I seem to find is that there now appears a "hide"
>> clickable. Where do I go to find the instructions for selecting or
>> deselecting one or more items? The window chooser command only gives me the
>> "help" and "utilities" child windows. Could this have something to do with
>> the navigational mode or something?
>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>
>>> The command-accent combination, which is the key below the escape key, will
>>> cycle you through open windows in an application. Command-tab cycles you
>>> through your open applications. For the help, try the command-accent or
>>> David's suggestion of using the window chooser menu with VO-F2 twice and
>>> then using the up and down arrows to see a list of your currently open
>>> windows.
>>>
>>>
>>> Take Care
>>>
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
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>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:36 PM, George B wrote:
>>>
>>>> hummmm what is a grave key, please??
>>>>
>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tracy Duffy
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:32
>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
>>>>
>>>> You can also try command along with the grav key. This will move you from
>>>> window to window within an application. At least it does in Snowleopard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, George B wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> good job david i am not on my mac and could not remember that command
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-
>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:27
>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
>>>>
>>>> try vo-f2 twice to bring up a list of open windows.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So, when I press command-tab twice, it doesn't bring me to the
>>>> previously open help topic I left. It only switches me to the other
>>>> application windows or brings me back to the same VO utilities window.
>>>> If I go to the menu and arrow down the windows options, I only see one
>>>> applications window available to choose from. Is one of those other
>>>> options on that windows drop-down the one I need to take me back to the
>>>> topic I left? How does one switch to different windows within an
>>>> application window?
>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> try command-tab twice.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:47 AM, George B wrote:
>>>>
>>>> First of all command tab changes your application from one to another
>>>> not
>>>> windows within a application.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-
>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 08:44
>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
>>>>
>>>> Ok, here is an example..
>>>>
>>>> I am currently in a help window that has . here is an even better
>>>> example of not having a clue of something that should be (and needs
>>>> to
>>>> be) understood by a neophyte.
>>>>
>>>> As I am writing this message, I switch to another window where I'm
>>>> working with a help topic. I switch back to this window to write
>>>> something and when I use the "command-tab" hoping to return to the
>>>> help
>>>> window. I end up back in the VoiceOver utilities area. Not the help
>>>> topic I thought I would be going to. How do I make this simple
>>>> switch
>>>> from one window to another without having to navigate back to the
>>>> topic
>>>> layer after linked layer?
>>>>
>>>> This is the sort of thing that I never had to think about before.
>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> can you give us an example? I believe I know what you need to do
>>>> but
>>>> rather than searching through help for an item, it would speed up
>>>> the
>>>> process having an example.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It seems like the more I think I've learned, the more I know I've
>>>> missed!
>>>>
>>>> Right now I'm going through the VoiceOver help menu seeking areas
>>>> I'm
>>>> weak on and hoping to learn more. When I get to a "show" clickable
>>>> object, I select it. and nothing seems to happen except that it
>>>> changes
>>>> from a "show" to a "hide" area. Where does the related information
>>>> get
>>>> shown? What part of this process am I not getting?
>>>>
>>>> I can freely admit that navigation and safari navigation in
>>>> particular are my weakest areas. This makes learning via the
>>>> provided
>>>> help topics slow. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for
>>>> transplanted
>>>> windows/internet explorer/JAWS users? I mean, there should be enough
>>>> of
>>>> us by now to have, at least, an email list that can serve as a place
>>>> to
>>>> trade and ask for information that might bore those of you for whom
>>>> the
>>>> mac environment is natural.
>>>>
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