Hi Folks, We are drifting a bit off topic here with this subject. I certainly welcome Sarah posting these articles and enjoy the content, but let's please keep this on the subject of the Mac or VoiceOver. I am surely one who is a supporter of freedom and personal liberties, which have been under attack over the last few years, and I am a firm believer that the government simply does little right when it is left to their direct control. However, at the same time, drunk driving is a serious issue that usually results in the deaths of innocent people, while the driver often gets a mere scratch when there is an accident resulting from too much to drink. I also have family who are part of law enforcement and who have manned DWI check points over the years, and you'd be surprised by just how many lives those things save on a given weekend. Nevertheless, again, we can go around all day discussing the pros and cons of whether Apple should or shouldn't get involved. So, for the sake of list harmony, I'd ask that we keep this stuff off the list and, perhaps, discuss it privately. Thanks guys Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.macfortheblind.com AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:04 AM, John G wrote: > Show me one drunk driver who would consciously acknowledge the risks he poses > to the public. The fact we have these checks in place in most countries is > acknowledgement of the fact that people's judgment is severely impaired when > they've had a few glasses. > > More to the point, what punishment would bring someone's child, parent, > sibling, friend etc. killed by a drunk driver back to life? > > Sorry, I don't see how this's anything to do with the freedom of speech or > press. It's simply a small step in safeguarding our freedom to move about > without the frear of getting run over by a halfcut moron. > The concept of total freedom couldn't be more naive and impracticable. > If you want no big brother government breathing down your neck then try Sudan > or Somalia. > John > At 13:23 25/03/2011, you wrote: >> People should be responsible for their self and take the punishment or >> whatever if they do something wrong. They should not have to have a big >> brother to tell us or business what to post. This is not to me about safety >> it is about infringing on my Freedom of speech and my freedom of press. JMT >> ! >> >> >> Sign, >> Bubba >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John G >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:33 AM >> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: U.S. Senators Ask Apple to Remove DUI Checkpoint >> Apps From App Store >> >> A perfectly reasonable intervention on the part of the government. >> There are too many irresponsible folks out there who would take the >> Apple idea as encouragement for drink-driving. >> Sometimes, government intervention is necessary and this is a good >> case in point. Remember when AAG pulled the plug on Outspoken? No >> screen reader support for Mac OS and no one as far as I remember were >> inclined to offer a replacement. it was owing to anti-descrimination >> legislation that Apple had no choice but to introduce VoiceOver. >> John >> At 11:33 25/03/2011, you wrote: >> >I think the government should stay out of this. This is just more >> government >> >telling business how to run their business the best way they see. If I was >> >apple I would give them the middle finger. >> > >> > >> >Sign, >> >Bubba >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >[mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami >> >Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:01 PM >> >To: mack for the blind list >> >Subject: [mac4theblind] U.S. Senators Ask Apple to Remove DUI Checkpoint >> >Apps From App Store >> > >> >I heard about this on npr and thoguht it was interesting. >> > >> >U.S. Senators Ask Apple to Remove DUI Checkpoint Apps From App Store >> > >> > >> >CNET reports that four U.S. senators have sent a letter to Apple's iPhone >> >software head, Scott Forstall, asking the company to remove from the App >> >Store applications that are designed to allow users to be alerted to >> >checkpoints >> > >> >http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/23/u-s-senators-ask-apple-to-remove-dui-ch >> e >> >ckpoint-apps-from-app-store/ > >