[lit-ideas] Re: bombing for sex
- From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 04:57:48 -0800 (PST)
Here is another pro-Israeli poster who only chimes in
when there is an easy ball to hit. As for me, I don't
hide my pro-Palestinian sympathies, and yes, my
dislike of some elements of the Israeli political
constitution and society. Having lived in Israel for
seven years, I think that I have got the right to form
some opinions. In the same time, I still read Israeli
media, apart from Jerusalem Post, and I am familiar
with the Israeli point of view about the conflict
first hand. Those who rely on the MEMRI for the Arab
point of view about Israel get an extremely distorted,
indeed twisted picture, being sold under the pretense
of cool objectivity.
O.K.
--- Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I am sorry that some pro-Israeli posters here - and
> I
> definitely include you in this description, for I
> haven't got much faith in the MEMRI-style of
> one-sided objectivity - are only prepared to have a
> discussion on their own terms. O.K.
>
> Omar:
>
> Are you saying that, unlike pro-Israeli posters, you
> are prepared to be
> objective? I for one don't hear the objectivity you
> claim in your
> commentary. I only hear an anti-Israeli viewpoint
> everytime you send a note.
> While I'm pro-Israeli, I admit there's a lot to be
> criticized about Israel.
> As a pro-Palestinian, you never acknowledge what's
> problematic about the
> Palestinian side of this war. Your black-and-white
> vision doesn't do the
> conflict justice.
>
> Stan Spiegel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Omar Kusturica" <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:56 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: bombing for sex
>
>
> > Julie,
> >
> > I posted previously an article that discussed this
> > incident, which you ignored and posted your own
> report
> > instead. The article corrected some plain
> inaccuracies
> > found in the report you post (for example, the boy
> was
> > 16 not 14) and more importantly brought to light
> some
> > contradictions in the Israeli version of the case.
> For
> > example, it is extremely curious that the IDF,
> which
> > is not normally eager to have the proceedings at
> the
> > checkpoints televised, had TV cameras on the ready
> 2
> > hours ahead of time. It's also contradictory that
> the
> > boy allegedly accepted 100 shekels (about 20 US $)
> to
> > commit suicide, though this may be explained by
> his
> > apparent mental retardedness. The boy's parents
> said
> > that it was 'wrong to use childen in this way,'
> but
> > exactly who used him is far from clear.
> >
> > I am sorry that some pro-Israeli posters here -
> and I
> > definitely include you in this description, for I
> > haven't got much faith in the MEMRI-style of
> > one-sided objectivity - are only prepared to have
> a
> > discussion on their own terms.
> >
> > O.K.
> >
> >
> > --- JulieReneB@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > Anyone know what the American currency
> equivalent to
> > > a shekel in Israel is
> > > these days? Here we have a political ideology
> > > attempting to make inroads by
> > > paying a kid and promising him after-life sex,
> in
> > > exchange for blowing himself
> > > and a bunch of other people up. Interesting
> > > variation on prostituting minors.
> > > Whole new pathologies are being born. Do the
> > > Palestinians really consider
> > > this defensible??? Does the Arab world in
> > > general????
> > > <<"Blowing myself up is the only chance I've got
> to
> > > have sex with 72 virgins
> > > in the Garden of Eden," a 14-and-a-half-year-old
> > > Palestinian boy told his
> > > Israeli investigators after being caught wearing
> an
> > > 8kg explosives belt.
> > >
> > > Husam Muhammad Bilal Abdu from Masahiya
> neighborhood
> > > in Nablus was captured
> > > Wednesday afternoon by IDF troops near the
> Hawara
> > > roadblock near Nablus, the
> > > same place an 11-year-old boy was caught with a
> bomb
> > > last week.
> > >
> > > "They told me that this was the only way, and
> they
> > > promised that my mother
> > > would get one hundred shekels if I did this,"
> Husam
> > > told his captors.
> > >
> > > The Fatah Tanzim claimed responsibility for
> sending
> > > the would-be bomber,
> > > Channel One reported Wednesday night.
> > >
> > > The boy aroused suspicions when he reached the
> > > Hawara roadblock. Soldiers
> > > from the Paratroopers 202 Brigade aimed their
> > > weapons at him, and he
> > > panicked.
> > >
> > > Seeing that the boy was "unusually swollen"
> around
> > > the chest area, he was
> > > checked by soldiers at the roadblock, who
> ordered
> > > him to lift his t-shirt,
> > > where they discovered a large gray suicide bomb
> belt
> > > on his chest with a
> > > detonation device attached to it. Soldiers
> > > immediately jumped behind a
> > > concrete barrier and trained their weapons on
> the
> > > boy again.
> > >
> > > The area was shut down and sappers were brought
> in
> > > to neutralize the
> > > explosives belt. A remote- controlled robot was
> sent
> > > out with a pair of
> > > scissors to the would-be suicide bomber, who was
> > > instructed by sappers to
> > > begin cutting the belt off of his chest.
> > >
> > > He cut off part of it and struggled with the
> rest.
> > > "I don't how to get this
> > > off," he said.
> > >
> > > After he dropped the vest, soldiers ordered him
> to
> > > take off his undershirt
> > > and jeans, to ensure he had no other weapons on
> him.
> > >
> > > The belt contained 8kg of explosives, and was
> > > detonated in a controlled
> > > explosion after it was taken off the Palestinian
> > > child.
> > >
> > > Lt. Tamir Milrad, an officer at the checkpoint
> said,
> > > "We saw that he had
> > > something under his shirt."
> > >
> > > "He told us he didn't want to die. He didn't
> want to
> > > blow up," Milrad added.
> > >
> > > Channel Two news reported that the boy received
> 100
> > > NIS for carrying the
> > > belt and exploding near Israeli targets.
> > >
> > > Following the incident, IDF erected a blockade
> > > around Nablus. Channel 2
> > > reported that security services have warnings of
> a
> > > wave of terror attempts
> > > emanating from Nablus, a hotbed of Fatah Tanzim
> > > activity.
> > >
> > > The boy's brother, Hussam Abdo, said he was
> mentally
> > > slow.
> > >
> > > "He doesn't know anything, and he has
> intelligence
> > > of a 12 year old," his
> > > brother, Hosni, said.
> > >
> > > The incident was the latest in a series of
> foiled
> > > terrorist attacks
> > > involving young Palestinians.
> > >
> > > "No matter how many times Israel learns of the
> use
> > > of children for suicide
> > > bombings, it is shocking on each occasion," said
> > > Dore Gold, an adviser to
> > > Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.
> > >
> > > "Israelis do not understand how Palestinians are
> > > willing to sacrifice their
> > > own children in order to kill ours."
> > >
> > > Last week, Fatah Tanzim terrorists in Nablus
> sent an
> > > 11-year-old boy to
> > > smuggle a bomb through an IDF roadblock on
> Monday,
> > > and tried to detonate the
> > > bomb when soldiers stopped him.
> > >
> > > The men gave the boy a bag containing a
> seven-to-10
> > > kilogram bomb stuffed
> > > with bolts. They promised him a large sum of
> money
> > > if he would carry it
> > > through the roadblock and hand it to a woman
> waiting
> > > on the other side.
> > >
> > > Since 2001, more than 40 other minors who were
> > > involved in planning suicide
> > > bombings have been arrested by security forces.
> > > Since May 2001, 22 shootings
> > > and bombings were perpetrated by minors.>>
> > >
> > > http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=20210
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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