http://www.copyediting-l.info Eric, try the CEL (copyeditors list) archives for a discussion on the relative demerits of CM's 14th. Consensus was to stick with the older version, though I can't recall why. I'm still using my old Chicago Manual. It serves for my lax purposes. best, carol ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html