"Grammar surely begins at home." For sure. So does vocabulary. So does accent, and so do the twistings and twitterings of terms of expression. So home grown is language that it is the perfect tool for guaging class. And a basis for making judgments of "clear thinking" and "intelligence". Long, long ago, in a galaxy right here, I heard a debate between an Oxford team and a Harvard team over the topic "Is the decline of Western Civilization at hand?" This was probably 1969? The only thing I remember from that debate was the Brit who said in reference to the efficacy of democracy's ability reflect the will of the people: "Lyndon Johnson turned his back on the American people and said: "I have the people behind me." The Harvard Boys won the debate, but the Brits won my admiration. Humor carries more truth within itself than truth can bear. Mike Geary Memphis On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: > This journalese is actually understandable enough (especially if we take > the second "up" as a mistaken repetition repetition). Compare the following > from a recent poster to the list:- > "To be sure, not forgiven being self not christian at all." To be sure, > that is many steps closer to gibberish, yet passed without comment. Perhaps > it's some misguided politeness or simply because it is easier for all > concerned, but why no comment? Maybees it's pity that motivates persons > not to ask for the quoted words to be translated into English, or their > belief the request would be an exercise in futility? Grammar, surely, begins > at home. > > Dnl > London > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx> > *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Sent:* Friday, 16 September 2011, 0:47 > *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: Translation Problem > > Perhaps someone might start with translating it into English... > > Julie Krueger > > > > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:36 PM, David Ritchie <ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: > > For those of you who are stuck for a Sunday evening task, why not try > translating this sentence into a different language. It's from the BBC > website's description of a rugby match. "Good sides take disappointment on > the chin and they front up up next week." > > David Ritchie, > preparing for the morrow in > Portland, Oregon > > > > >