[lit-ideas] Re: Translation Problem
- From: "Walter C. Okshevsky" <wokshevs@xxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:07:08 -0230
Interesting. Young people's disregard of correct grammar may generalize to a
disregard for other normative expectations, including moral requirements.
"Normative" refers to the possibility of right and wrong, and thus of being
mistaken. But if young people today are unaware of a grammatical distinction
between "what is correct" and "what seems correct to me" or "who cares what is
deemed to be 'correct'" then their conception of the "normative" is already
askew at the git-go. We would then not expect them to understand at the
meta-cognitive level that, like you know, there are certain imperatives that
are categorical for all rationally autonomous agents.
George W put it quite succinctly: "The central educational question is whether
our children is learning in the schools."
Walter O
Quoting Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>:
> I overheard my 18 yr old (one of my daughters is a little academician --
> this one would rather paint, weld, and live outside) say "Me and Jimmy went
> to the movies..." I corrected her when she was off the phone and she said,
> it doesn't matter, it's just the same, like saying the glass is blue or the
> blue glass". I attempted to explain to her the difference between the way
> English modifies nouns (we use modifiers both before and after the noun) and
> the way we use pronouns -- asked her if she would say "Me went to a movie".
> She interrupted me and said with a heavy sigh, "MOM, nobody talks that way
> anymore except old people."
>
> Yes, I taught my daughters ALOT of grammar during their growing up years.
> My older daughter uses English very accurately and well. THIS one....well,
> it just didn't take because she's not a word person and it simply doesn't
> matter to her. I suspect she represents the vast number of teenagers out
> there. Apparently the school system didn't even address grammar.
>
> I feel like Ish in Earth Abides...
>
> Julie Krueger
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Donal McEvoy
> <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
> > This journalese is actually understandable enough (especially if we take
> > the second "up" as a mistaken repetition repetition). Compare the
> following
> > from a recent poster to the list:-
> > "To be sure, not forgiven being self not christian at all." To be sure,
> > that is many steps closer to gibberish, yet passed without comment.
> Perhaps
> > it's some misguided politeness or simply because it is easier for all
> > concerned, but why no comment? Maybees it's pity that motivates persons
> > not to ask for the quoted words to be translated into English, or their
> > belief the request would be an exercise in futility? Grammar, surely,
> begins
> > at home.
> >
> > Dnl
> > London
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
> > *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Sent:* Friday, 16 September 2011, 0:47
> > *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: Translation Problem
> >
> > Perhaps someone might start with translating it into English...
> >
> > Julie Krueger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:36 PM, David Ritchie
> <ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> >
> > For those of you who are stuck for a Sunday evening task, why not try
> > translating this sentence into a different language. It's from the BBC
> > website's description of a rugby match. "Good sides take disappointment
> on
> > the chin and they front up up next week."
> >
> > David Ritchie,
> > preparing for the morrow in
> > Portland, Oregon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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