I take your point, Judy (at least I think I do). I have tended to believe those who have asserted that Muslim immigrants more readily integrate into US society because they are wealthier and better educated to start with. They have no reason to congregate in enclaves. They buy the best houses they can afford in the best neighborhoods. I knew a number of Arab engineers and had no reason to think of them any differently than any other engineers. I recall one engineer, a manager who was being touted as having a brilliant future. He came by my desk one day and said he needed to ask me a personal question. He was concerned about being able to tolerate the bureaucratic nonsense of a large corporation long enough to reach retirement. A great number of things made him unhappy. I was just a couple of years away from retirement and he wanted to know how I had managed. It is inconceivable to me that he would have any interest at all in Jihadism. I remember another Arab engineer who was doing something like selling real estate on the side. He wanted my help in getting a better job. He was always joking. Everything seemed funny to him. I went with my wife to see the Liver-Transplant specialist at Loma Linda. He had a very difficult-to-pronounce Arab name. Susan asked him where he was from. He said Fresno. She said, "I mean, where were you born." He got an exasperated look on his face and said "I was born in Fresno." All the while I'm thinking, "Don't make him mad, Susan. He may replace your liver one day." But he had a sunny disposition and obviously didn't take too much offense at her question. He had probably been asked it before. My nephew, someone Susan and I helped raise when his mother ran off with another man, is engaged to and living with a Cambodian Muslim girl. She and my nephew have pooled their incomes to buy cars and are considering buying a house. She is a very sweet girl and has the vague unstudied idea that Christian principles are pretty much the same as Muslim principles. I don't know how many Muslims I have known, but I have never met one I suspected of being hostile toward the United States or uninterested in being an American. Perhaps the experiences of American Social Scientists and Historians have been similar. They believe and convincingly argue that Muslims integrate more readily into American Society than they do into European Society, but the subject article reminds us that we can't know for sure. The Muslims we know may not be overtly hostile, but we don't really, most of us, have enough information to be able to make absolute statements about them. On the other hand people are people. If someone sounds like an American, has an American job and American ambitions he is probably not a Jihadist. He may be, we can't know for sure, but he is probably not. But the article implies that a number of American Muslims are supporting the "'mujahideen' groups." It would be interesting to learn more about what this support consists of. Perhaps the protestors were thinking more along the lines of sending money rather than actively engaging in the sort of support Mr. Chandia is going to prison for. Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judith Evans Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:05 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Terrorist next door LH>I don't know. How did you get into the country? Google tells me Mr Chandia, who is a permanent legal resident, emigrated from Pakistan in 1994. So he's one of your well-integrated US Muslims turned violent jihadist paintballer. But don't be scared. He and his friends were -- it is alleged -- going to fight US troops abroad. Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK