In a message dated 3/11/2009 8:04:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rpaul@xxxxxxxx writes: > ...'Als Ob' never caught on with > American teenagers as a way of expressing the unlikeliness of one's > doing or believing a certain thing. Neither did 'Als ob!' ----- I take that as ironic and pointing at the ubiquitousness of 'like' in Valley Girl speech? I am like, in love with, like, him. literally I am as If I am in love with as if him. The problem with the 'as if' is that it _is_ conditional in form: "I'll marry him as if he he were rich" It's totally different from: "I WOULD marry if he were rich" The conditional in 'als ob' is _otiose_. "I'll eat the margarine as if it were butter" A good margarine, they say, tastes as if butter. In conditional terms. The 'als ob' is counterfactual: margarine is NOT butter. Yet ( I'll pretend margarine = butter ) and I'll eat margarine The metaphysical problem is that margarine is _not_ butter and it is _impossible_ to taste it as if it butter. Cheers, J. L Speranza Buenos Aires, Argentina **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html