[lit-ideas] Re: The Other Grice
- From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:29:20 EDT
My last today. I hate to correct myself, but
In a message dated 6/28/2011 11:23:58, Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx writes:
maximally exchange of informativeness. Even orders,
like "Love me!" is an exchange of info from an utterer to an addressee
("utterer informs addressee that he loves her"). It would be otiose in a
genuine
monologue to have, "Love me!" -- the utterer already knows that, and it
is
useless to 'inform yourself' about stuff.
----- should of course re-read as follows (I was just re-reading Enns's
first part of his post, and thought of commenting):
maximally efficient exchange of informativeness.
"Love me"
---- utterer informs addressee that he desires the addressee to love the
utterer.
"There is nothing arbitrary about Grice's transcendental justification:
conversational moves are reasonable (if not rational) only on condition
that
they serve towards this maximally exchange of info."
to read:
towards this maximally efficient exchange of info.
My point was to have imperatives as informative, pace Grice. Grice would
sometimes speak of 'influencing' as the goal of conversation: influence and
being influence by others; but I can't see how that can be done unless you
inform them. Protreptic utterances, like "Love me!" are exhibitive of one's
desires, too.
and so on.
Cheers,
Speranza
---- I still need to address the second bit of Enns's post, I hope.
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