[lit-ideas] Re: Rome in 389-386 B.C. -- seeking peace
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 16:01:37 -0700
Your quibbles aren't accurate, Judy.
Judy,
Yes, during the cold war "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Also, the U.S.
backed Saddam against Khomeini as the lesser of two evils, which he most
certainly was, but later "after the Cold War," when Saddam attacked a U.S.
ally, Saddam became America's enemy. The Cold War was over and we no longer
employed Cold-War philosophy.
But in general, it is possible for a nation to be a friend one year and ten
years later to become an enemy. The history of Rome is full of such examples.
My focus on France was France. France sided with Germany during World War II.
After the war, De Gaulle declared the Vichy government to be illegitimate.
Thus, he successfully avoided France being lumped with Germany as Western
antagonists during WWII.
Lawrence
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Lawrence, you say
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Several European nations decided to back Saddam Hussein, one of America's
enemies, after the Cold War. They didn't actually join Saddam in his battle
against the U.S., but then neither did the Latins and Hernici join the actual
battle against Rome. But there was support, and this support inspired Rome's
and America's enemies to fight. They thought that with the support they had
been pledged, they could win.
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nothing like rewriting history.
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The United States supported Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War as a counterbalance
to post-revolutionary <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution> Iran
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran> . This support included several billion
dollars worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin
weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct
involvement in warfare against Iran.[3]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war#cite_note-spidersweb-2>
[4]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war#cite_note-deathlobby-3>
Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in
open session of the Senate and House of Representatives,
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Saddam Hussein in the past was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark
of anti-communism in the 1960s and 1970s.[
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein#cite_note-UPI-23>
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U.S. DOCUMENTS SHOW EMBRACE OF SADDAM HUSSEIN IN EARLY 1980s
DESPITE CHEMICAL WEAPONS, EXTERNAL AGGRESSION, HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES
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and many other (easily available) passages, many references, many sources.
Quotations from the Congressional Record. And so on.
you write
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France might side with the Germans in World War II, but afterwards, De Gaulle
can come in and say that the Vichy French were illegitimate and never
represented France. He, De Gaulle, was therefore free to disallow and take no
responsibility for anything the Vichy government did
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De Gaulle left France (escaped to England) after leading a successful
counterattack during the Fall of France, and briefly serving in the French
Government prior to Petain -- who sought an armistice with Germany. IOW he was
never anything to do with Vichy France, he always opposed Vichy France. Days
after the Vichy Government was founded he broadcast from London calling on the
French to resist the Nazis. And he and others set up the Free French Forces.
By 1944 he headed an effective government in exile.
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Etc..
Judy Evans, Cardiff
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--- On Mon, 25/10/10, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Rome in 389-386 B.C. -- seeking peace
To: "Lit-Ideas" <Lit-Ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 18:59
http://www.lawrencehelm.com/2010/10/rome-in-389-386-bc-seeking-peace.html
Lawrence
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