[lit-ideas] Re: QPR v Chelsea
- From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:40:40 +0100 (BST)
"A 'racial group' is a
> group of persons defined by reference to race, colour,
> nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national
> origins."
Yes. I see no reasonable alternative (to defining "race" broadly).
> Calling homosexuality a sin is free speech, but leaving
> "anti-religious cartoons" in a chapel is a crime? I
> note that the case law mostly comes from magistrates
> courts. I shall be interested to hear what the higher
> courts make of this.
>
In McAlpine's case, there wasn't a court, the charge was dropped; quite
rightly, it really doesn't fall under the provisions of the Public Order Act
etc..
Here's the story:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Mr Mcalpine was preaching to shoppers in the west Cumbrian town on 20 April
when he said he was approached by the PCSO, who told him he was a liaison
officer for the local lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community.
"He told me he was homosexual," Mr Mcalpine said.
"I said 'the Bible says homosexuality is a sin'. He said 'I'm offended by that
and I'm also the LGBT liaison officer within the police'.
"I said 'it is still a sin'."
He said three uniformed police officers then appeared and accused him of using
homophobic language.
"I'm not homophobic, I don't hate gays," Mr Mcalpine said. "Then they said it
is against the law to say homosexuality is a sin. I was arrested. It's crazy
isn't it?"
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/8687395.stm
he was subsequently paid £7,000 in compensation and his legal costs, and a
senior police officer went to see him to apologise.
?!, you think? So do I. But there's been a fair amount of yelling and
screaming by Christians here about the infringement of their rights to foist
themselves on people...
Here's the sainted Peter Tatchell on hate speech/homophobia
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/oct/10/hatespeechvfreespeech
I too would like to know whether a higher court would have found Harry Taylor
guilty; but it was a rather different case.
Judy Evans, Cardiff
--- On Wed, 26/10/11, David Ritchie <ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: David Ritchie <ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: QPR v Chelsea
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wednesday, 26 October, 2011, 14:02
>
> On Oct 26, 2011, at 1:15 AM, Judith Evans wrote:
>
> >
> >> Britain has "illegal" remarks? I thought
> only Germany
> >> did that kind of law.
> >
> > "Hate speech" laws
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_the_United_Kingdom
> >
> > But I doubt the police will take it up.
> >
> I wonder where Mr. Rumpole went. The footnotes on the
> page you directed me to include this, "A 'racial group' is a
> group of persons defined by reference to race, colour,
> nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national
> origins."
>
> Rumpole, "Your Honour, my client Mr. Smith is charged with
> standing outside a golfing club, which he says he wished to
> join, in spite of not knowing one end of a golfing stick
> from another. He was holding a placard that read,
> 'Arians Go Home.' If poor 'spelling skills'--as the
> current jargon has it--were a crime, I would have to break
> the habit of a lifetime and plead guilty. But the
> charge here is under the Crime and Disorder Act of 1998, an
> act that addresses not speech but behavior..."
>
> Would the Blue Man Group constitute a group for the
> purposes of this act, I wonder?
>
> Calling homosexuality a sin is free speech, but leaving
> "anti-religious cartoons" in a chapel is a crime? I
> note that the case law mostly comes from magistrates
> courts. I shall be interested to hear what the higher
> courts make of this.
>
> David Ritchie,
> Portland, Oregon
>
>
>
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