Eric Dean wrote: "I think it's reasonable to conclude that among the normal meanings of "all men are mortal" are meanings that at least imply that for every human there will come a time when that human is dead." If the word 'mortal' is to tell us something interesting about any particular example within the set of 'all men', then the sentence "all men are mortal" cannot be formalized with the proposition "For all x, if x is a man then there exists a time t such that x dies at t". There is of course the obviously problematic 'there exists', which should be a conversation stopper. Beyond that, it is difficult to see how picking a highly idiosyncratic 'meaning' of a sentence (i.e. that mortality refers to a point in time), providing a highly idiosyncratic formalization (i.e. 'scientific') of that 'meaning', gives one grounds for deciding whether that sentence is or is not scientific. Put differently, under such particular conditions, I can imagine ruling out any sentence as being a scientific hypothesis. After all, what sentence could not render peculiar 'meanings' that would render them unscientific? Sincerely, Phil Enns Yogyakarta, Indonesia ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html