JL writes [snipped] Granted, McEvoy's reference does not apply strictly to 'DPhil', since there are other ways of getting a 'first class' degree: MA and BPhil, and it may be a first class MA or even BA that McEvoy's commentary can apply, too! —————————————————————————————————— *As far as I know, there's no such thing as a 'first class' MA or a 'first class' DPhil (any more than there's such a thing as a 'first class' PhD. As my former supervisor at a fairly well-known university located at the end of a lake, once said, 'To get an Oxford MA, all one has to do is get an Oxford BA, and pay a sum of money.' This was Frank Sibley, of happy memory, who had done just—and no more than that—but was a full professor at the institution in question. *In the US, an MA is 'earned' through course work, and a dissertation. Now, though few US universities offer it in the humanities except, in some cases, 'on the way to' a PhD, and even so, do not accept applications from those who want only an MA or MS. It may be that the MA or MS is useful in some fields—'counseling'—but it will no longer get you anywhere in philosophy or in linguistics e.g. (I'm not sure if Kripke has anything more than a BA, and he may not even have that.) —————————————————————————————————— Wikipedia says 'In the Universities of Oxford<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Oxford> , Cambridge <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Cambridge> and Dublin <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Dublin>, Bachelors of Arts <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Arts> of these universities are promoted to the degree of *Master of Arts <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Arts>* or *Master in Arts* (*MA*) on application after six or seven years' seniority as members of the university (including years as an undergraduate<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undergraduate_education> ). 'There is no examination or study required for the degree beyond those required for the BA. This practice differs from that in most other universities worldwide, for whom the degree reflects further postgraduate study or achievement, and these degrees are sometimes referred to as the *Oxbridge MA* and *Dublin* or *Trinity MA* to differentiate them.[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Arts_(Oxbridge_and_Dublin)#cite_note-1>The Oxbridge MA is based on the system of academic rank rather than on one of academic qualifications. Once incepted/promoted to MA, the holder no longer wears the academicals <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_dress> or uses the post-nominals pertaining to a Bachelor of Arts as they are no longer of that rank, thus the Master of Arts is not a separate degree given in addition to the Bachelor of Arts but is basically a conversion of one degree to another. * 'All three universities have other masters' degrees that require further study and examination, but these have other titles, such as Master of Letters <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Letters> (MLitt), Master of Philosophy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Philosophy> (MPhil), Master of Studies <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Studies> (MSt), Master of Engineering <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Engineering>(MEng) and Master of Science <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Science> (MSc).' —————————————————————————————————— Donal knows all about this stuff, but Oxbridge rules and regulations are not always transparent to the layperson. Robert Paul