[lit-ideas] Re: Patrick and the Snakes: the logic of falsification [errata]
- From: adriano paolo shaul gershom palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:07:03 +0200
what all of this bizarre discussion misses is to actually think that some
thing like the national socialist etc. party had any philosophical
interest, they -if in power- appropriated anything that came down the pike
from religious beliefs (many of them were christian, a few moslem, almost
none jewish) many non religious beliefs (the idiocies of philosophers fo
super human nietzsche etc. ) as well as traditional german philosophy, from
wolff to kant and up to hegel (they did not fling spinoza who was luckily
portuguese dutch & maybe jewish)
but the rest is babbling to the wind, only imbecils take seriously the view
that heidegerrism whatever its other merits or demerits can be, has
anythign to do with reducing unemployment by building autobahns, or having
m. porsche design tanks, or indeed invade poland.......
herr heidegger would have liked to be the standard booths licking academic
under dictatorship and failed for deep inability to even signal his masters
how eager he was in his performing fellatio for them
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
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> *From:* Walter C. Okshevsky <wokshevs@xxxxxx>
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> >To comment would be to grant Hitler a posthumous victory.
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> Arguably not to comment to would grant Hitler some kind of victory -
> surely it is important to get the facts right? If Kant, rightly or wrongly,
> was an inspiration to Nazis (and if Hegel was not), then these are the
> facts - and we should attend to the facts. It may be galling that the
> highest art Germany produced, Bach and Mozart and Beethoven, was played by
> Nazis - even Nazis who spent their days at mass murder in concentration
> camps. It galls us because it may seem to blaspheme their art but it also
> offends because it disturbs the pious notion that 'high culture' protects
> us from barbarity.
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> My inexpert suggestion is, firstly and obvsiously, that what we have in
> the example of 'Kant as Nazi literature' is a striking example of how
> something may be turned about and misused and abused (which is of course a
> story as old as the dawn of human history) - for Kant's moral philosophy is
> at root a philosophy of the free and rational human conscience, and
> inimical to Nazism.
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> But perhaps we should not be so surprised at this turnabout: for it is
> deep within the totalitarian mindset to appropriate and turnaround, in an
> Orwellian way, the most highsounding and moral ideas - from 'Arbeit Macht
> Frei' to positing 'true freedom' and 'true democracy' to lie in obedience
> to an unelected Furhrer or 'The Party'. This kind of turnabout is far from
> always a cynical appropriation but often reflects a sincere belief on the
> part of the totalitarians: a belief Popper suggests was fostered by Hegel
> the historicist, who for example argues that 'real' freedom is the
> "recognition of [historical] necessity". And there is one aspect of Kant's
> moral philosophy, the rigorism that Schiller satirised, that lends itself
> to totalitarian misuse - the emphasis on 'doing one's duty'.
>
> If I had to guess Popper's response here, it might be that it was Hegel's
> appropriation and betrayal of Kant's critical philosophy that was the
> intellectual precursor to the appropriation and betrayal of Kant's
> philosophy by the Nazis. The Nazis were not reading Kant so much as a
> Hegelized Kant.
>
> What then would be most interesting - indeed vital - to know is what these
> Nazi readers were making of, and taking from, Kant. Unfortunately Chris'
> very interesting post does not answer this.
>
> Donal
> London
>
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