[lit-ideas] Re: Paranoid (Andrea, perhaps, can answer my question?)

  • From: Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:07:23 -0500

I've plugged my name in a couple times into Google just for curiosity.  For
some bizarre reason beyond me, a few of my lit-id posts have shown up on
Google.  Nothing like all -- just a dozen or so.  I've never understand why
those and not others ...

Julie Krueger

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:

> There aren't any Scientologists here, really, around 2,000 in the whole
> UK.  And they aren't tax-exempt here. But it seems you can't keep them down,
> I've just found a 2008 story about a teenager being charged under the Public
> Order Act for calling them a cult,  charged by this force (City, not Met)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> The City of London police came under fire two years ago when it
> emerged that more than 20 officers, ranging from constable to chief
> superintendent, had accepted gifts worth thousands of pounds from the
> Church of Scientology.The City of London Chief Superintendent,
> Kevin Hurley, praised Scientology for "raising the spiritual wealth of
> society" during the opening
> of its headquarters in 2006. Last
>  year a video praising Scientology emerged featuring Ken Stewart,
> another of the City of London's chief superintendents, although he is
> not a member of the group.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/20/1
> (The Crown Prosecution Service made them drop the case.)
> Judy Evans, Cardiff
> --- On Fri, 19/8/11, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Paranoid with my Pentax in the morning
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Friday, 19 August, 2011, 2:21
> Robert,  Thanks, Bend sounds nice.  I received two other recommendations,
> Payson Arizona and some place in Pennsylvania.  Susan is open to the idea of
> a move, but the first place we checked, Big Bear, California, didn’t turn up
> any suitable houses.  Also, the depressed housing market in California may
> mean this would not be a good time to move.  The ones closest to being
> suitable were a lot more expensive than the one we live in.  Ideally it
> should be the other way around.  A friend predicted that the Public
> Relations officer, Muriel Dufresne would not call me, that the security
> guard may not even have told her about me, and that this was a ploy that the
> guards are taught to discourage questionable passersby.  If so it worked.  I
> felt discouraged.  I like to walk around looking for trees and birds, not
> security guards.  As to Julie’s suggestion that perhaps they wanted to use
> some of my photos, I don’t think there
>  is much chance of that.  The second time Sal came up to question me I
> considered that possibility and asked if it would be possible to go into the
> Golden Era Productions facility some time to take photos.  He very
> vehemently (while shaking his head rapidly from side to side) told me that
> would never ever be possible.  The Area 51 comments may not be far off.  I
> did a very brief check on Google and discovered that Golden Era Productions
> has had some serious problems, some involving law suits.  A group of
> protestors back in 2008 claimed Scientologists were holding members
> prisoner, and the spiked fences (which they posted pictures of) were set up
> to keep them from escaping.  There
>  were a couple of mysterious deaths.   An autopsy found that one lady had
> several animal bites on her body.  Some protestors were beaten by security
> guards and sued Scientology.  An anti-Scientology site claimed that one
> guard was especially brutal but in reality a coward because he ducked down
> when some anti-Scientology people drove by and shot at his guard station.
> After reading all that I felt much better about “can I help you” all the way
> up to “have a nice day” from Sal.    As to the photos I took today, perhaps
> I spent more time experimenting with my new lens than trying to take good
> pictures.  There were only 4 I thought worth posting.  They are on
>  page 7 of the August 2011 gallery.  If you go to where the 7 pages are
> listed and click on the down arrow you will be able to select page 7.  The
> photos from today are the last 4.  Actually, the first two from today were
> essentially the same spot, but because Sal took up so much of my time the
> sun had come up over the mountains by the time I walked back by that spot.
> There is one shot of a hawk which I could have left out, and then the last
> one which is of a winding dirt road I liked.    LawrenceFrom: Robert Paul
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:39 PM
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Paranoid with my Pentax in the morning  Lawrence,
> There used to be somebody in charge of paranoia here, but he was last seen
> being forcibly loaded into a black helicopter. Here's what I know: you may
> photograph private property—homes. storefronts, industrial sites—from public
> spaces, but you'll need permission to photograph
>  on private property. If you'd climbed a fence put up by Golden Era
> Productions, to get a better view
> of their site (or even some wildflowers on their property) you'd need their
> consent.
> Whether you could publish, online, or elsewhere, pictures of their site you
> took legally from a public space, I don't know. My hunch is that you could,
> unless some of their employees were identifiable
> in the picture. It's pretty clear that I could walk through downtown
> Portland, take photos of storefronts, street signs, parking meters, and so
> on, and then publish them on a website, a magazine, or elsewhere without
> first getting permission from the store owners or the City of Portland to do
> it.
> When it comes to photographing people who are clearly identifiable in the
> picture, and publishing it, then, even though you and your subject were both
> in a public space, things change; but that
> isn't what you were doing. As for Area 51, you're on your
>  own.
> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/Area_51_and_other_Facilities.php
> Thanks for the great account of your encounter. Maybe somewhere near Bend
> OR, would suit you, although it's usually colder there than in San Jacinto.
> Or so I'm told.
> http://www.ci.bend.or.us/about_bend/index.html
> Robert Paul
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