No you didn't think there were none. How could you when I have spoken at length about the Reformers attempting to speak out during the Khatami presidency? Don't you recall the lengthy discussion about Soroush? I was very interested in these Reformers. Khatami seems to be untouchable because he was a very popular president, but he was voted out of office and now a Hawk is in his place. Soroush (part of Khomeini's revolution) too was very popular, but he was beaten and threatened and fled for the U.S. There are reformers here in the U.S. But notice what you have quoted. Reformers exist someplace (probably in the U.S.) because they praise Dr. Wafa Sultan for "saying out loud, in Arabic . . . what few Muslims dare to say even in private." Simon Ward could read this and conclude she is "critisizing the fundamentalists rather than the average Muslim," but if so why are there only "few Muslims" who "dare to say" such things critical of an Islamist minority "even in private"? Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eternitytime1@xxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:30 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Woman Denounces Violence, Gets Death Threats In a message dated 3/11/2006 12:19:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: But Islamic reformers have praised her for saying out loud, in Arabic and on the most widely seen television network in the Arab world, what few Muslims dare to say even in private. Hi, Who are these Islamic reformers? I thought there were none... Best, Marlena in Missouri